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(...) Yes. Peace. ++Lar (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Some other perspectives on the tragedy
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(...) Better or worse I will not comment on. I think your example is inapplicable to this situation, but I did want to point out that american law, at any rate, distinguishes between these cases... driving drunk and killing someone is negligent (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Please make a donation via Paypal to the Red Cross!
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Having been stuck so full of needles a few weeks ago (8 times in the course of one day, and a couple more times last week - I looked like a drug addict) I just couldn't bring myself to give blood from the far coast, so I donated $100 to the Red (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.au, lugnet.general)
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Ross, your stance here completely baffles me. You're nitpicking against taking action but you (and Jason) haven't proposed any concrete plan of your own other than (paraphrasing and guessing) "right all the injustice in the world everywhere and the (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Amongst the dozens of messages here I would like to offer my support for & bring attention to this message posted by Richard Marchetti: richard marchetti <blueofnoon@aol.com> wrote in message news:GJMBso.CFI@lugnet.com... <snipped talk about (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, maybe it's time to correct that. Chris (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why? Power units are the concern, not nations. These are new times and governments will become less important as other power structures evolve. I think you're operating in the old paradigm. Chris (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: In light of Tuesday's events (was Re: Are we doing the right thing?)
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(...) Fair enough. I'll try not to be testy...things have been rough and I guess I'd rather this conversation have waited a week, but here we are. (...) Last week was a long time ago. (...) watching (...) Exhibit A and a half - On Thursday, 6 Sep (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Please make a donation via Paypal to the Red Cross!
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I am proud to say that I have made my donation. I challange all those up to it, to do the same or similar! Mel I have posted this to the area's that seem to be used the most at this particular time. (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.au, lugnet.general)
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(...) I have not read all of the things said, in all of the hundreds of posts here, so forgive me there... I think though that these people who fear they are about to be attacked will try and evacuate themselves to what they may think could be a (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Then let me clarify the question: Do you identify no difference between 1) Murdering innocent civilians aboard a civilian jet and in civilian buildings and 2) The death of civilians resulting from their proximity to known military targets If (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I am sure that most of us received the following message from Paypal If possible, please make a donation, even the smallest amounts count. There will always be someone in need who could use everthing possible right now. I am just about to donate (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.au, lugnet.general)
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| | Re: We don't live in America, America lives in US!
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USA - please DO NOT revange ! No war ! In this case Europe will be NOT with you. Thanks. (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: We don't live in America, America lives in US!
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<snip> I had a smile on my face when I finished reading this. Then I emailed the link to a good friend of mine, Mimi, and she wasn't so happy about it. When I read her response I understood why. She is one smart girl (and I'm being objective here). (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Response to Misinformation (Some other perspectives on the tragedy)
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(...) <snipped your reply to Richard> Regardless, we can all agree that killing the innocent for the sins of the leadership is wrong. Our attackers demonized Americans and committed a brutal criminal act that shattered the lives of many innocent (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snipped> It would take too long to respond to every item in your post so let me just say that we agree killing innocent people is wrong. Also, we can agree that demonizing and making generic assumptions about another culture is wrong. (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: We don't live in America, America lives in US!
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"Matthew Gerber" <matthew@digitaliris.com> wrote in message news:GJMC0I.Cz8@lugnet.com... (...) Eh Mathew I am sorry, OK? I know you are hurting. It was insensitive of me to pick on what you posted. I am sure that we have much in common, and (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GJMFCE.LKt@lugnet.com... (...) Larry. Peace. We are on the same side. I admitted I was wrong to flame Greg, he has admitted he might have worded his post better. It is all to easy, (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well, if anyone had any doubts that our anonymous foe is prepared for a long, drawn-out struggle, those should be laid to rest by now. Details aren't all in, but it appears those who didn't get a chance to carry out their "missions" on Tuesday (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Terrorist Attacks: Why and What Now?
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Hello everybody, let me express my deepest sympathy with the victims of the terrorist attack as well as their families and friends. I hope no one of the LUGNET community was affected, directly or indirectly. When I was watching TV the evening after (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Response to Misinformation (Some other perspectives on the tragedy)
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This is a response to random acts of absolute disinformation perpetrated by many in the discussion of Arab terrorism, of what our response should be, and the Palestinian plight - and whatever else spues forth from my inability to contain myself any (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) War is a terrible thing and no one should jump on the war bandwagon without a very good reason and only after he has considered all the possible alternatives. (...) Pick a war in history in which you think the winning side was right to go to (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) murder (...) cross (...) Not the same thing at all. Something closer would be if you buy a baseball bat...and kill me with it you are no more guilty than if you take that same bat and keep swinging it at a pile of baseballs when you know (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Peace! (was Re: Some other perspectives on the tragedy)
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(...) Good. We've done enough of that already, and frankly I'm tired of it. (...) Agreed. Security is a large issue here. My brother-in-law work for Delta Airlines and I could tell you some amazing stries about lax security, but I don't see any (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) with (...) I realise I've snipped a lot of stuff and I will get back to it later, but I think here lies the fundamental difference in our opinions. The answer is no, I identify no difference between the deliberate murder of innocent civilians (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Jeez, you're willing to go a long way for the sake of equivocation. If they are being used as human shields, then the people using them as shields are responsible for their deaths. So, no--it's not okay to murder them, and the people using (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) NP. I did come off harshly, so that is understandable. (...) 'we'll take you down permanently' means that we'll go to any lengths to protect our freedoms, even killing terrorists if it comes down to it. Personally, I feel that this is a case (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would call it self-evident, though I will attempt to construct a syllogism for you. In the meantime, I likewise would ask you for your refutation of my assertion. (...) Do (...) Well, now you're quibbling. Whether he actually leaves the (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) < (...) So that makes it OK to murder them? (...) Weren't several thousand (est) innocent Americans just murdered for the pursuit of a (as yet unknown) goal? ROSCO (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Very true. The American public certainly didn't wan war on September 10th. Diabolic acts of wanton destruction and the tragic sacrifce of thousands of innocents has changed our collective mind. 92% of the American public support the idea of (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, it's a combination of the two, but I won't split hairs on this one. (...) That were being used as human shields and no, it doesn't sound familiar. Saddam kept hiding. QWB was quite public about where he's been. GWB wasn't anywhere (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) and (...) According to whom? (...) In fact it's unlikely bin Laden actually leaves his "protective apron" - he probably delegates any international tasks to others. And how is applying military force to the people of Afghanistan, many of whom (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I do not believe that, Dave! (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You find it funny that someone can admit they are wrong about something without being repeatedly prodded? (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I have been meaning to come back to this for some time (...) I am going to differ with you on this point. The Warsaw Pact nations, as far as I am concerned, during the period up until about 1989 or so, were so effectively under the control of the (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In fact, it does. State-provided sanctuary for a terrorist, conspirator, and murderer, is de facto identical to committing terrorism, conspiracy, and murder. Is it acceptable to you that bin Laden and his followers commit whatever acts they (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, thanks for that clarification. I stand by my assertion though that Greg got a bit of a raw deal on this, though, especially in some of the initial comments made. Calling it jingoistic was a bit over the top, I thought. (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, they are saying nothing new, in that the LP has been calling for us to have less entanglements and less alliances, and less meddling in the internal affairs of other countries. Yes, they are saying nothing new, in that they have been (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: In light of Tuesday's events (was Re: Are we doing the right thing?)
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Chris, I am not trying to claim that you are saying things that you haven't said. Rather, I am trying to reflect back to you the conclusions and philosophy that you have conveyed in your posts, and also to apply them to the very real tragedy at the (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yep folks, the LP has joined the rest of the political parties - they are saying what many have already said before them, they add nothing new or even anything displaying any great intelligence. Yes, they are pandering to the people. Ho hum. (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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