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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford writes:
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> > > If it's OK to let these innocent
> > > people "enjoy the consequences", then why are you so angry that innocent
> > > Americans just "enjoyed the consequences" of America's alliances?
> >
> > Equivocation, once again. Do you identify no difference between the
> > deliberate murder of innocent civilians in civilian aircraft and buildings • with
> > the accidental deaths of those near military targets?
>
> I realise I've snipped a lot of stuff and I will get back to it later, but I
> think here lies the fundamental difference in our opinions.
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> The answer is no, I identify no difference between the deliberate murder of
> innocent civilians in civilian aircraft and buildings with the "accidental"
> deaths of those near military targets, because it's not accidental. The warring
> parties *know* they're going to kill a number of innocent civilians (in both
> examples), but are prepared to put up with that in order to acheive their goal.
>
> > > I realise some people will think I'm heartless making such comments, but
> > > that's just how I feel about Dave's comments.
> >
> > I don't think you're heartless; I just think you're engaged in deliberate • and
> > selective misreading--a well-established form of literary analysis but not
> > really useful in the current debate.
>
> In fact, it's not literary analysis at all - it's emotional response to ideas
> which I find unpalatable.
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> ROSCO
I have not read all of the things said, in all of the hundreds of posts
here, so forgive me there... I think though that these people who fear they
are about to be attacked will try and evacuate themselves to what they may
think could be a safer place for them.
What the outcome will be is something that we have to wait and see. Please
don't forget that if troops etc are sent, that there is more than just the
innocent people of that targeted country but also the troops who will be
sent there and are risking their own lives.
Sure they know they have to some degree a choice and those of the country
don't, but an innocent life, is an innocent life and that must not be forgotten.
Many of these people in these country's also do things for their own country
too such as things in the past like the mass suicides where they could be
closer to their beliefs and rewarded once they arrive to their destination.
Many Westerners don't think quite in the same way. But at the same time I
am not saying that they should be all destroyed anyway. They too have
people that are scared and fear the worse. Such mixed feelings towards
these matters are at a high rate right now, so what do you really say?
I feel sorry for the children more than anything when it comes to these
troubled nations. They are the ones who suffer the most out of all their
people. They grow up only knowing what they have been taught, and that is
so hard to change once they are an adult, to convert them into a Western
(etc) way of thinking is sometimes impossible.
I was watching some of the news over here with Australian's interviewing
some of these nations, you could tell the host was having a hard time trying
to get the interviewed people to understand the Western way of thinking and
visa-versa.
We all see so differently due to our own up bringing and experiences, so our
views will always be different, no matter who we are and where we are from.
It's going to be tough... we all have to stick together somehow.
Mel
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