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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GJMFCE.LKt@lugnet.com...
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lawrence Wilkes writes:
> > Larry, where do you fundamentally disagree with me on many levels?
> > When have we had disagreements?
> > I hope you were not reading my earlier reply as my views on what should be done.
> > You asked for suggestions, I made some.
> > I said I didnt necessarily support them.
>
> LW it's with regard to some old threads, some things were said by you there
> that I did fundamentally disagree with. If I get time I will go back and
> respond in a bit more detail.
>
> Also you do have a tendency to view Britain as above reproach and the US as
> fundamentally flawed... witness your lashing out about the war of 1812. The
> historical facts are what they are, Britain tried to reimpose tyranny and
> failed. That was then. This is now. Most Americans view Britain as a fast
> and true friend... we help each other out all the time.
>
> I think your suggestions in this thread have merit as thought starter
> questions because they imply that a knee jerk reaction, taken to its logical
> extreme, can often have very grave and unintended consequences. I didn't
> take them all seriously, I don't think you intended them that way at all.
> More like Johnathan Swift on the Irish Question... suggestions to make
> people think.
>
> I'll admit I am knee jerking myself right now but I am massively pissed. It
> took a while to sink in, on Tuesday I was just numb... Tuesday night I
> started to grieve... all day Wednesday just about anything could make me
> cry, but now I am just pissed.
>
> I suspect I am not going to change my views much though, we have a disease
> on our hands and it's time to do something about it. Terrorists (once
> identified as such with certainty) must be destroyed and those who applaud
> terrorism must be punished.
Larry. Peace.
We are on the same side.
I admitted I was wrong to flame Greg, he has admitted he might have worded his post better.
It is all to easy, as we all know, to 'post from the hip', and think afterwards.
I doubt we fundamentally disagree about much.
I bet we fundamentally AGREE about a zillion things.
But, eh, I am British.
So, just like the understandable US patriocism being shown at the moment, I am patriotic too.
I guess if someone bought up an unsavoury moment in US history from a century or more ago, it would be shot down in
flames too.
I certainly dont see Britain above reproach, and the US as fundamentaly flawed.
You probably perceived this based on a couple of sarcastic remarks I have made.
I am naturally sarcastic. I know its the lowest form of wit. But I guess from your experience of the UK you will know it
is pervasive.
Some of my remarks must be seen as such. I also know from experience that our sarcasm (and sometimes our humour in the
face of adversity) is often lost on Americans.
Unfortunately, I worry that it is humanity that is fundamentaly flawed.
We talk about the need to defend the civilised world, but what has a millenium of this in Europe delivered? Two world
wars.
What has decades, no centuries, of trying to deal with the 'Irish problem' delivered. Schoolkids as the victims of hate.
This has been a very sad week.
Lets not make it worse by all falling out.
regards
lawrence
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