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Re: Announcing new Legend!
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lugnet.lego
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Mon, 10 May 2004 07:09:35 GMT
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In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Marc Nelson, Jr. wrote:
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In lugnet.general, William R. Ward wrote:
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In lugnet.general, Gregory Muri wrote:
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And I get equally tired of responses like this one so I suppose we are all
just tired.
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AFOL means “Adult Fan of LEGO.” Clearly you are no longer a fan of LEGO.
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I think you can be a fan of the system without being a fan of the company. And
I think you can be a fan of the company without being a fan of every decision
that it takes. So I don’t agree that Greg is no longer an AFOL.
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So please go away so that the rest of us can have our LUGNET back.
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I don’t want Greg to go away. I want him to stop ranting about the color
change in every thread that is at all remotely related (and some that aren’t)
to the point that it derails legitimate discussion. When Jake asks for
feedback on a specific topic (such as what old color parts would you like to
see) and gets (essentially) “you suck and the color decision was stupid” back,
how does that help? I’m not seeing the helpfulness of that.
For the record, in my view Greg is not easy to satisfy (you could read some
threads on BrickLink that amply demonstrate that point). It’s sometimes a good
thing to have a hard to satisfy customer, it keeps you on your toes. And
sometimes a good thing to decide not to serve everyone that shows up at your
door claiming to be a customer, because life’s too short.
So if you mean you want Greg to post in an appropriate manner, or not post at
all, I agree. if you want him to go away even if he’s willing to stay on topic
and contribute constructively, I don’t.
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Had you read this post by Greg, you
might have noticed this:
As far as leaving, keep dreaming. Just because I am no longer a Lego
customer, on a retail level, doesn’t mean I am giving up on my enjoyment of
what I have or the hobby in general. I will enjoy my collection for many
years to come. I will also continue to take each and every opportunity I
can to tell Lego what I think.
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As he should. In the proper manner and via the proper channels. Derailing
threads is not, in my view, the way to do it.
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I am in the same boat as Greg. I will not be buying any sets with the colors
in them. Neither will I be as vocal in evangelizing LEGO to non-AFOLs and
kids. But I will continue to build, and buy on Bricklink, and post on LUGNET.
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And I resent your efforts to silence opinions that you don’t agree with.
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Channeling discussion to the proper place (in a highly compartmentalised
system like LUGNET, which the vast majority of readers seem to prefer) isn’t
silencing. Pointing out that someone is repeating themselves and not adding
anything new isn’t silencing. Suggesting that posting STUPID!! 100 times in a
row isn’t advancing the discussion any isn’t silencing.
No one is silencing any opinions. I in turn resent the suggestion that anyone
is.
OK, fine, but how’s this on topic for .general? It’s not.
(from the header)
CHARTER/PURPOSE:
lugnet.general (group):
General community discussion of LEGO® sets, themes, promotions,
characters, business units, parks, histories, future plans,
catalogs, item pricing and availability, etc.; also, community-wide
discussion of experiences and ideas (set collection, educational
usage, observations, original stories, games, holiday fun, rumors,
musings, weird dreams, etc.).
- end -
This entire discussion is not, in my view, on topic for .general. Further,
even if it’s general dissatisfaction with LEGO (the company) that is the topic
of the discussion rather than color, it’s STILL not, in my view, on topic for
.general, it’s on topic for the .lego hierarchy.
You may not agree. If you don’t, and you want to argue the point, then you
should STILL not post in .general, in my view, but rather somewhere in the
.admin hierarchy.
But before you argue the point, Todd, who is still running things here, has
posted about his desires where things go, and you should, in my view, take
that on board. If you still want to argue the point after Todd has directly
expressed his wishes in the matter, then go ahead, but take it to the right
place in the .admin hierarchy.
FUT set to lugnet.lego in hopes that you’ll decide to keep .general better
focused on its charter. Please.
++Lar
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I’m not sure how anything can be off-topic for .general, considering things like
“rumors, musings, weird dreams” are on-topic. But without getting bogged down in
what should be posted where...
Greg’s original point was that he didn’t like the new Legend because it will
appear in the new colors. He was subsequently attacked and invited to leave
LUGNET for bringing up that point of view. So now any mention of the color
change is “threadjacking” or a violation of the TOS? I think discussion of the colors that a set appears in is
certainly germane, but some seem to disagree.
I used the term “silencing” because there have been repeated demands made for
those who refuse to accept the color change to quit posting or leave LUGNET. I
agree that the new .color newsgroup is not silencing, but it does seem to be a
punitive measure designed to pigeonhole certain opinions.
If you disagree with someone calling TLC stupid, there’s nothing stopping you
from replying in that newsgroup and pointing out the counterproductivity and
immaturity of such a post. But if someone says they don’t like a Legend because
the colors are wrong, that’s off-topic and needs to be shunted to a separate
newsgroup? I don’t see the fairness in that.
Marc Nelson Jr.
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 | | Re: Announcing new Legend!
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| In lugnet.lego, Marc Nelson, Jr. wrote: [Much snippage] (...) Discuss colors, great. It's the force and vitriol with which it's being done, in my view. I keep up with many AFOLs across the whole community on a daily basis, and I think 95% told me (...) (21 years ago, 10-May-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
| | | Re: Announcing new Legend!
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| (...) General is two things, in my view... (1) a place for initial announcements of general interest (which should have FUT set elsewhere, the same way .announce posts do) and a place to discuss things that don't have anywhere else to go. If a (...) (21 years ago, 10-May-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.admin.nntp, FTX)
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| (...) I think you can be a fan of the system without being a fan of the company. And I think you can be a fan of the company without being a fan of every decision that it takes. So I don't agree that Greg is no longer an AFOL. (...) I don't want (...) (21 years ago, 10-May-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego)
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