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Hello! A few minutes ago I stumbled accross this folder: (URL) "aircraft of the new german reich" Following the Up button in the folder thread I also found this: (URL) of Vereinigte Faschistische Staaten des Neues Reichs" And I wonder: What on earth (...) (20 years ago, 18-Aug-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (SNIP of some very good observations) (...) I suppose a good translation for us non-germans might be in order ;) ~Kevin Kevoh Kevvy Blocksidge (20 years ago, 18-Aug-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello! (...) "aircraft of the new german reich" "vehicles of Vereinigte Faschistische Staaten des Neues Reichs" Reich = Empire. That's not an offensive word by itself. But in combination with "faschistisch = fascist" it's clear the Third Reich (...) (20 years ago, 18-Aug-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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FUT: lugnet.off-topic.debate "Johannes 'Jojo' Koehler" <chutspe@gmx.net> wrote in message news:I2ntIn.1F7H@lugnet.com... (...) Talk about a slippery slope... There are a lot of people who think Nazi uniforms, logos, designs, and equipment were (...) (20 years ago, 18-Aug-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Johannes, I agree whole-heartedly with you. It's amazing that the moderators would let something like this pass. I'm always appalled by how ignorant and insensitive some people are, especially about something as well documented as WWII. If (...) (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) For what it's worth, I disagree that this is an issue. First, I do agree that Hitler and his regeme were terrible. Second, simple naming a folder with a Nazi name does not equate the the condoning of the Nazi ideal. What if the particular (...) (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Orion, perhaps you are right and the majority of people concur, but let me explain myself. Creating WWII-themed guns, minifigs, tanks, dioramas, etc. is okay in my opinion since it is recreating something from the past (it's historical). For (...) (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well... I have terrorist minifigs as the Global Islamic Liberation Front. (URL) terrorism is not "romanticized" as they tend to get butt-kicked by the Chinese like here... (also my super-tank is bullying that dark gray Panzer) hehe. (URL) not (...) (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There is a bunch of this kind of thing in .space too. (URL) are some more questions to ponder: - are the Brickshelf pics glorifying Nazism, parodying Nazism, or drawing on the Nazi aesthetic for ideas - or something else? - is the .space Iron (...) (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.space)
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"Johannes 'Jojo' Koehler" <chutspe@gmx.net> wrote in message news:I2ntIn.1F7H@lugnet.com... (...) pass (...) since (...) There was a first and second reich that had nothing to do with Nazi's. There is no Nazi insignia or imagery. I can fully (...) (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My German might not always be spot on, but I can see "Fascist" in the title for the page. According to the Google language tool, it means something like "vehicles OF combined fascist states new of the realm". I would translate it as "Vehicles (...) (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or George Lucas, whose Imperial forces uniforms (and names - stormtroopers) are pretty clearly inspired by Nazi imagery. Which then carry through to standard Lego sets... Talk about slippery slopes... (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Mark Jordan" <mark.jordan@oracle.com> wrote in message news:I2oruA.JMG@lugnet.com... (...) There (...) and (...) title for (...) it as (...) I understand now then. My German isn't good enough to have seen 'Fascist'. That certainly does lean it more (...) (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd like to point out a difference between "trivialization" and "satire." Much of what Keith and I do is to satirize and mock the ideologies of our respective subthemes. (However, I should point out I am a socialist/communist, but I am not a (...) (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Hello! (...) Yes. Those people think Nazi symbols and uniforms are cool because of the background, not because of their sheer look. And who thinks things with that background are "cool" is an idiot. That's what I think. I don't deny the fascination (...) (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can't speak to the builder's inspiration, but having actually *read* some of the smack in his MOCpages account, we can assume the following about the Iron Reich: - It glorifies big, old grey walls - It glorifies big-ass numbers embedded in (...) (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.space)
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(...) Yes, I'm a lurker, but I decided to throw in my two cents on this considering I'm fluent in German (and am actually posting from Berlin right now). For all you non-German speakers "Vereinigte Staaten" is German for the United States. (...) (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Johannes 'Jojo' Koehler" <chutspe@gmx.net> wrote in message news:I2pBv7.1uJp@lugnet.com... (...) I disagree. I recognize the amazing talent of Nazi designers of the time. Their engineers especially, but also their graphic designers. Nazi (...) (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not a moderator or anything, but I think the intention was really to prevent people from posting non-Lego things, and not really offensive things. So if someone wants to post Lego porn or Lego violence, that's potentially acceptable (if I (...) (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What about images with clone brand bricks? I ask for two reasons, the second of which is that these faux-Reich models include a considerable number of MEGABLOKS elements. If clones are verboten, then the pictures could be bounced for that (...) (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Simply put: The job of the moderators is not to expunge content YOU may find politically inappropriate or in poor taste. They merely enforce the content and usage guidelines set forth by BrickShelf. As for the "Iron Reich" glorifying Nazism, (...) (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And with good reason, since the Empire was essentially a fascist governmnent with a leader who (as we later learned) was accidentally elected to the leader-for-life position, much like Hitler was (though the circumstances were considerably (...) (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello! (...) Yes, the Nazis were quite good at this. And you may be intelligent enough to differentiate between the aesthetic shape of the Nazi brand and the not at all excusable ideology. But I highly doubt everybody is able to differ or even wants (...) (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) AFAIK, clones are OK on Brickshelf. It would be useful if Kevin posted a rough indication of the guidelines he uses though. ROSCO (20 years ago, 19-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The parody of the US had occured to me too, it depend how you translate it. Tim (20 years ago, 20-Aug-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Johannes 'Jojo' Koehler" <chutspe@gmx.net> wrote in message news:I2psB6.I3w@lugnet.com... (...) because (...) How does collecting dishes hurt society? People collect all kinds of things used by famous figures in history. Their fascination is more (...) (20 years ago, 20-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Ross Crawford" <rosscraw@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message news:I2pwDy.12H2@lugnet.com... (...) rough (...) Funny, I find clone bricks offensive. :P It's a lot easier to moderate if you have vague guidelines. (20 years ago, 20-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello! (...) It does not. (...) And that's why people like SS uniforms and find them cool? (...) That's true. And I regularly get pleasantly surprised by a better reality than I had assumed beforehand. Better, not best. (...) That's a possible (...) (20 years ago, 21-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Johannes 'Jojo' Koehler" <chutspe@gmx.net> wrote in message news:I2t532.230G@lugnet.com... (...) I think people do things for different reasons, and rather than judge people based on our own worst fears and worries, we should try to find the truth (...) (20 years ago, 25-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The "world against the USA" paranoia aside, your argument does have some merit. That said, your post brings two points to mind: Bush should have renegotiated the treaty instead of ripping it up. How do you think we should protect the (...) (20 years ago, 25-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Hello! (...) That's an optimistic view on people's behaviour. I wished I was that optimistic (no sarcasm intended). However, everybody including me should always be aware of what impression one's particular behaviour, fashion or whatever makes on (...) (20 years ago, 27-Aug-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's hard to say on the face of it. The person might be just indulging in a typical historical "what if" scenario. Does it trivialize what happened? Not necessarily. Then again, he/she/it may be looking for DNA material to clone Hitler with (...) (20 years ago, 6-Sep-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi Bruce, AFAIK the only way to cancel posts is via a newsreader (if your newsreader client supports it). I think a way to cancel posts via the web would be a nice enhancement :) ROSCO FUT: .admin.general (20 years ago, 6-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) …but communism was once less than acceptable in the "Land of the Free". Scott A (20 years ago, 7-Sep-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, this is quite the discussion, isn't it? Seeing this post, and the link to that Brickshelf gallery, I feel compelled to shed some light on the whole situation of the builder. That gallery belongs to my friend, Eric Anger. The models he's (...) (20 years ago, 7-Sep-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "Once"? :-) But they could still be Communists regardless of acceptablity. -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 7-Sep-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But nothing; were the rights of Communists not restricted? Search google for "McCarthyism" & "freedom" to see what I mean. Scott A (20 years ago, 7-Sep-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.general, Bruce Schlickbernd wrote: (snip) In my view this subthread is not really suitable to .general, especially the way it's went downtree. I forceFUT several of the posts in this branch without saying anything(1), but I'm not sure it (...) (20 years ago, 8-Sep-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would actually really appriciate if you DID say something every time you force it, just because otherwise, a thread will just disappear as far as NNTP/SMTP users are concered. If you do let people know you moved it, then at least if I still (...) (20 years ago, 8-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Thanks, though the lecture is a bit of a waste, I'm afraid - I simply hit the "submit" button and then noticed all the newsgroups it was attached to. Sorry to one and all, but there wasn't any way for me to fix it myself at that point. ;-) (...) (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I know this is a kind of dead topic, but I was watching the AFI Top 100 movie songs and I just had to juxtapose the statement above and the Mel Brooks' satirical song meant to be the ultimate in bad taste: Springtime for Hitler Germany was (...) (20 years ago, 11-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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