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| | | Well, you guys seem to be doing something that I've been thinking about for several weeks now. Since I have a number of contacts in the publishing industry, what I was planning on doing was professionally printing and die-cutting sticker sheets with (...) (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Kyle Peterson
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| | | | | Let me pose this possibility if we choose to professionaly print these: To get the most out of our dollar, we obviously should make these sheets quite diverse (ie, not all one style or color). My thought is that we can fit at *least* 100 (...) (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | (...) It might market better if you had, say, 20 of a given design on a given sheet. Then, with a single sheet, the average person could get enough stickers to make a decently-sized army. You'd still get a good diversity on a single sheet... figure (...) (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Andy Lynch
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| | | | | | | | | Hmmm. Both of you have good points. Perhaps there could be two types of sticker sheets. One with half a dozen different "generic" designs, for larger armies, and A different one with lots of different sticker sets to create customized "characters", (...) (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Scott Sanburn
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| | | | | | | | | | | This is a great idea, not only for castle minifigs, but also themes as space, town, etc. Some generic town stuff. Who knows? FUT to town, space, etc. for specific discussions Scott S. -- ***...*** Please visit (URL) (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.town, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Jimmy Park
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Yes, but the first one produced has to be specific to Castle, as the shields involved is only really applicable in Castle. Then, we can make a generic die for cutting out just torsos and possibly signs for use with all other themes. Jimmy (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.town, lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Jimmy Park
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Given the costs and complexity of the die and the minimum number that needs to be printed, I think there can only be one sheet. But that sheet would have roughly 6 different army factions with matching shields (5x of each faction) and 20-30 (...) (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Andy Lynch
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| | | | | | | | | | | Oh yes. I forgot that these were going to be precut type stickers. I imagine that would send the cost up quite a bit. -Andy Lynch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Park" <madoka@jps.net> (...) (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Jimmy Park
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Yes, it does, but. . . "only the best is good enough!" :) But seriously, I think the extra couple of bucks per sheet over printing it on one's inkjet is offset by the commercial quality of the product, not to mention the hours of precisely (...) (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Ed T. Toton III
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Auugh! That would take forever. The stickers I've put onto my men so far were mostly "proof of concept" so I didn't bother being that careful. I used quickly drawn or scanned designs, printed them out, and quickly cut them out with scissors. (...) (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers - lets think this through —Kyle Peterson
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| | | | | | | | | | | | As far as diversity goes, lets think this through. Eric's point is well taken that in order to have a decent size army you'd want to have at least 20 torsos/shields of each design. However, my point of view, is that for me to get on board...and (...) (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers - lets think this through —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I was only skimming through the thread, and thought people were talking as though more than one sheet design was going to be printed up at a time. Given that it is only going to be one, I think 5 is enough for a given design, certainly. eric (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers - lets think this through —Ed T. Toton III
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) each (...) I think it's a good start. One of us should probably come up with a full-sheet template to demonstrate one or more possible ways of lining up the stickers in an efficient manner. I think we need to know -exactly- how many stickers (...) (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers - lets think this through —Jimmy Park
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Yes, I think this is precisely the next step we need to take. I'll post some of the details in a new thread so people can more easily find it. Thanks Ed, Jimmy (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers - lets think this through —Kevin Knoot
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Not trying to pick an argument, but 10 male peasant designs? Really? I think that may be a bit much. There's got to be close to at least a dozen 'peasant-type' torso designs currently in the Star Wars line, and with 2 more movies, and dozens (...) (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers - lets think this through —Jimmy Park
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Well, what I was thinking was that it's not necessarily 10 peasants, so much as 10 misc. designs. These of course would encompass peasants, but also merchants, squires, nobles, clergy, etc. I imagine we were just using the generic term (...) (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers - lets think this through —Jimmy Park
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Yes, I think a vote would be appropriate. BTW, I think Kevin Hall's female torsos/skirts are an excellent start to the project. (...) Yes, once the die is made, we can just continue using the same template for future sticker sheets. (...) Yes, (...) (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers - lets think this through —Alan Findlay
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) When considering the number of designs, and number of iterations per design, keep in mind that there is room for an "aftermarket" of unused/unwanted parts. Suppose a sheet had 5 of design A and 5 of design B. I want 20 of A and someone else (...) (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Peter Guenther
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Forgive my ignorance--I don't know how this all works. Are the printing and the cutting integrated, or two separate processes? Can't you have different sheets that use the same die? IE, each sheet has 30 shields and 50 torsos in the same (...) (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Jimmy Park
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) They are two separate processes. First it is printed, then cut. (...) Yes, I talked about this possibility in another previous post. First though, I think we should give it a go with one sheet, before tackling multiple others. Jimmy (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Jimmy Park
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| | | | | | | | (...) Personally, I think 20 of any one design would be too much. I think 10 should be the most of any one army builder. BTW, off my rough estimates the printer is telling me that he can get about 80-90 stickers on one 8.5x11 sheet. That means we (...) (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Ed T. Toton III
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| | | | | | | | (...) the (...) I agree, 5 to 10 of each type... Perhaps 10 of a torso, plus 10 matching shields (5 ovoid, 5 triangle). I'd like to see some generaic armor art as well that doesn't belong to any specific army or shield art, as well as some generic (...) (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Jimmy Park
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| | | | | | (...) Of course! (...) Well, I was thinking that there would be multiples of the regular army builders (5-10 of each?), and a whole bunch of different ones for merchants, peasants, and maidens (signs as well?). (...) Yes, simply because other themes (...) (24 years ago, 8-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Joel Jacobsen
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| | | | In lugnet.castle, Jimmy Park writes: <snipped> (...) This is a really interesting idea; having read through all of the thread as it stands right now, I have a few questions/reservations that come to mind(1) -- == Scanning torsos/shields to print out (...) (24 years ago, 9-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Shiri Dori
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| | | | | Umm, good question, Joel. I've been too busy to participate in the thread but I did read a few posts, and TLC's reaction never even came to mind. Hmm. That's definitely something to think about, especially the manufacturer, and especially if the (...) (24 years ago, 9-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Peter White
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| | | | | | (...) I think the idea is to keep this small time. I can't see anybody ebaying them. But then again, people in the US will ebay/sell almost anything. Does everyone want the same looking custom figs, sort of getting away from customisation isn't it. (...) (24 years ago, 9-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Peter Guenther
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| | | | | | (...) Frankly, this is where I'm coming from. I'm excited by this conversation as I'd already done a little customizing, and I'd love to get professional-quality pre-cut printing, but I don't want the same minifigs as someone else. For this reason, (...) (24 years ago, 9-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Kyle Peterson
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| | | | | | (...) I think I'm looking at this project from a totally different perspective than everyone else. I'm viewing this project primarily as a group of people who have some design ideas and want to combine efforts to save on the cost of making quality (...) (24 years ago, 9-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | (...) Well, I've been lurking for a while watching this thread and I can tell you where I'm coming from. I'd buy some of these sheets no matter what ends up being on them - original art, scans/copies of Lego stuff, you name it. I agree the original (...) (24 years ago, 9-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Ed T. Toton III
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| | | | | | | Uhm... I think people have been skimming a little too much and not looking -closely- at what we've been saying. At no time did we say we'd charge for stickers made from SCANS of existing TLC artwork. I did scans for my own uses, and used them as an (...) (24 years ago, 9-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Ack. My only point was that while options A and B were bad, option C (making stickers to size with original art), which is what I thought was being discussed, shouldn't bother TLC at all- so there shouldn't be any legal ramifications. I don't (...) (24 years ago, 9-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Actually I spent about an hour and a half reading the entire thread last night. But you didn't quote what I said so maybe you were replying more to the other person who brought up the possible legal ramifications. (...) Scans of Lego stuff or (...) (24 years ago, 9-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Jimmy Park
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| | | | | | | | (...) I completely agree here. I believe it was clearly noted at the beginning of this thread that we were not going to copy Lego's designs to avoid any copyright issues. All the stickers are going to be custom work. (...) Again, I completely agree (...) (24 years ago, 9-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | In lugnet.castle, Mike Stanley writes: <he's a lurker and he'll buy> Not big on ME TOO posts but I'm lurking this thread too, and I would buy too, in moderate quantity, especially if some of the stickers were usable in townish stuff, and if the (...) (24 years ago, 9-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Mike Timm
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| | | | | (...) From understanding is that this is *NOT* amongst the current options for JUST the you specified, copyright violations are not what we are looking to do. We just want to convert non-castle compatible minifigs to castle ones. (this I believe has (...) (24 years ago, 9-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | (...) I am not a lawyer. That said, I can't imagine that it would be a good thing to either directly scan TLC classic Castle designs and put them on the sheet, put things that are simple color mods of TLC designs on the sheet, or take existing TLC (...) (24 years ago, 9-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —John Carroll
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| | | | | | (...) agreed. for the purpose of selling or probablly producing for other than your own personal use. original designs are the only way to go. What about posting to ask lego, etc. to see what their stance is. Where are we going post our original (...) (24 years ago, 9-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Jimmy Park
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| | | | | | (...) Personally, I see no point in posting to ask Lego. 1. Because what we are doing is outside the realm of Lego's concerns and 2. I'll bet whoever reads it would not know anyway and may overreact out of ignorance. (...) I think Kyle set up a (...) (24 years ago, 9-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | Re: Torso stickers —Jimmy Park
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| | | | In lugnet.castle, Joel Jacobsen writes: Okay, I just caught up with what's going on here (I'm on west coast time). This is Jimmy - I started this thread on professionally making torso stickers. I also happen to be a lawyer and I took every (...) (24 years ago, 9-Feb-01, to lugnet.castle)
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