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(Please notice "follow-up"! ;-) (...) I'd be a good candidate for grumpy, myself... Or sleepy... Or sneezy, for that matter (I got some *really bad* allergies!)... Or Doc, maybe... ;-) Franklin (22 years ago, 8-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I *like* this idea. How can I help? (...) I liked his "expedite evaluation: release or kill" option... ;-) Thanks, Franklin (22 years ago, 8-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I understand. (...) And I apologize if I came across as ... grumpy. Or maybe sleepy or dopey. Anyway, I'll stick with my previously stated viewpoint: if there are primitives on the tracker, let's make it a priority to either certify them or (...) (22 years ago, 8-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: The use of type 5 lines for smoothing of objects.
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(...) One thing that someone noted (I think it was Don Heyse) when I mentioned this was that it might be possible to instead check for the lack of type 2 lines of color 24 between two adjoining faces, and use this as an indicator that the two faces (...) (22 years ago, 8-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Hello people, this is my first post. A few weeks ago I mailed with Travis Cobbs and Lars Hassing about an algorithm I constructed to make objects look smoother. This can be done by using per vertex normals and smooth shading. The normals can be (...) (22 years ago, 8-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Steve, I see these as two separate issues: 1. The new version of the n-4disc files. 2. New versions of previously-existing primitives being considered "subfiles". Issue #1 is a current example illustrating issue #2. (Previously, the "BFC" primitives (...) (22 years ago, 8-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Franklin: Quit complaining and work on getting the unofficial primitives resolved! Then they won't affect other files on the tracker. Slapping a "hold" on them doesn't *really* resolve anything. Let's try it this way: Mark has made some changes to (...) (22 years ago, 8-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: The Ldraw future (was: Idea, using functions for some primitives.)
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(...) I'd disagree with this. "Dithered colors" has been part of the "standard" LDraw package ever since I started playing with it. The only (minor/potential) problem with using dithered colors is that you have to stick the darned code for the (...) (22 years ago, 8-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Most of these "related files" *ALREADY* have correct dependencies, I'd wager. I know that I personally almost *always* use the relevant non-disc primitive whenever I use a disc primitive. (...) I agree 100 percent! (And I'll continue to (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Okay, this thread is way too old and I feel that I owe an explanation for my tardiness. I apologize to everyone who was looking forward to a usable prototype; I hope I didn't set expectations too high. Lately, I've been heavily involved in (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Type 5 lines at the edge of primitives [DAT]
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(...) There are too many numbers in the 2nd cylinder line. Cut and paste error? Give this one a spin. I think what he's trying to show is the type 5 line where the 2 quarter cylinders meet. 0 1 16 0 0 0 10 0 0 0 10 0 0 0 10 1-4cyli.dat 1 16 0 0 20 0 (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I can see your point, but if we wanted the parts to have "correct" dependencies, then files specifically requiring the new versions would have to be treated differently. This mainly applies to BFC certification, where a new part requires the (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'm not following the problem with this one. Then again, I'm not sure where lines are supposed to be, and where they aren't--the construct is a bit abstract. (...) Hmm. The only way to avoid this problem is to not include the edge lines in the (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Idea, using functions for some primitives.
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(...) No, please don't, I still use it! (And I can't believe I'm the only one). With friendly greetings, M. Moolhuysen. (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) here is my opinoin on this dos program we all use.. LEdit. pro's - its fast (faster then MLCAD ( sorry mike i just dont like it ) ) - easy to use -portable cons - use of 16 colors? (dont forget dithered based colors.) - yes 8+3 filename format (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Type 5 lines at the edge of primitives [DAT]
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(...) lines (...) And then there is matching a sphere with a torus Which is demonstrated with this file. 0 1 16 0 0 0 78 0 0 0 -78 0 0 0 78 1-8sphe.dat 1 16 0 0 0 90 0 0 0 90 0 0 0 90 t04i1333.dat 0 (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: The Ldraw future (was: Idea, using functions for some primitives.)
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I completly agree with Tim, with one exception. The Lego parts coming out now are especially complex and involve patterns and colors that extend beyond the original LDraw colors set forth in James's program. I think a relaxation of the hard coded (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Type 5 lines at the edge of primitives [DAT]
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(...) Here is a model that demonstrates some of the problems with placing type 5 lines at the edge of the cylinder primitive. 0 1 16 0 0 0 10 0 0 0 10 0 0 0 10 1-4cyli.dat 1 16 0 0 20 10 0 0 0 10 0 0 0 0 -10 1-4cyli.dat 1 16 -20 0 20 10 0 0 0 10 0 0 (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) By all means, a good discussion :-) (...) Here's how I see it. As a community we need to answer this question and act accordingly. What is the role of 'LDraw?' I see 'LDraw' as the file format and parts library, and its role is as a foundation (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Time to throw fuel on the fire. Why are we still latching ourselves on to the original dos LDRAW program. Isn't it time the LDraw community graduated to Windows/Mac based programs and let the DOS program fade away from usage. Much like other (...) (22 years ago, 7-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: bug report: "cert." list on tracker
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(...) See below. (...) I only found six: (URL) far as "number of files impacted"... 1-4disc.dat has 50 "related files" 2-4disc.dat has 58 "related files" 3-4disc.dat has only three "related files" 4-4disc.dat has 97 "related files" peghole.dat has (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Idea, using functions for some primitives.
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(...) Hi Mark, My two questions are: 1. How would behave the original LDraw program regarding this proposed extension? 2. How would you ensure meaningful polygon decomposition? In particular how would you ensure correct assembling of primitives and (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Franklin, In your estimatation, how many files are waiting for fixed primitives to be certified? Right now, of the 77 primitives on the system, I count 7 as being fixes. Here's another viewpoint: Any primitive files in the PT system *should* have a (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Idea, using functions for some primitives.
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(...) For a linetype to include a 'function' in it's definition, we'd need to figure out what 'language' the functions would be written in. It's a fairly wide-open proposal. More likely, we'll add specific curved-surface primitives[1] at some point. (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Wow! This is so cool! These cooperating type 5 control points give us both first order continuity between the cylinder and the tangent plane, AND 2nd order continuity between adjacent cylinder parts. All with just a few small changes to a (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dat.parts)
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(...) Yeah; I actually posted a response to that thread suggesting just this. (...) Well, it's only a problem if you don't add another type 5 line to the edge. And I agree that it's probably rare. --Travis Cobbs (22 years ago, 6-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Cool! Glad I could help! And after looking at the discussion Don linked to, I'm wondering if a similar thing could be done for type 5s on cylinder edges - make the second test point on the plane where a rectangle would be if it was butted up (...) (22 years ago, 6-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Well, I did as you suggested, and it solved the problem without introducing any new ones. I was also able to then visualize why it worked on a continuing sphere once I had it working. --Travis Cobbs (tcobbs@REMOVE.halibut.com) (22 years ago, 5-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Steve, There is a "bug" with the certification list on the tracker. It is considering any primitive listed in the tracker to be a "subfile", regardless of whether or not that primitive already exists in the field (i.e., has already been included in (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) There was a discussion on this very issue in cad.dat.parts about 2 months ago. This one includes a link to a picture. (URL) don't think it was completely resolved though, as fixing it probably requires changing quite a few primitives and/or (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Hmm... Good point; I hadn't thought of that. But I'll have to check to be sure (it's hard to visualize). The way I currently have my sphere, the joins between the segments are always drawn either twice or not at all. If this does work, though, (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Idea, using functions for some primitives.
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I was thinking over this the other day, and thought maybe could be some sort of line type p that would work the same as the type 1 lines, but istead take a function instead of a piece. This would be for primitves that the drawing program replaces (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'm not sure if I understand this properly - if the second "test" point is down the line where the cylinder joint (between two rects) would be if it was attached to a cylinder, won't that work? It'll mean the same line may occasionally be (...) (22 years ago, 5-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but I discovered a problem with the use of type 5 lines at the edge of primitives. The basic problem is that there is no way for the primitive to know which direction any attached polygons are going to (...) (22 years ago, 4-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(URL) certified files. 28 files need admin review. 189 files need more votes. 287 have uncertified subfiles. 99 held files. (Total: 623) (22 years ago, 4-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: BFC codeguide?
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(...) Mark asked me in email, which I think I deleted before I replied to him (sorry Mark!), a question about using INVERTNEXT. Here's the question (as best as I remember it), and the answer. Q: Can INVERTNEXT be used multiple times in a file, or is (...) (22 years ago, 3-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: BFC codeguide?
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(...) (URL) There's only one meta-statement, 0 BFC. It takes several different keywords/parameters/options. These options are: CERTIFY - use only on the first BFC statement in the file, which must appear before any linetypes 1-5. Indicates the file (...) (22 years ago, 2-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Does anybody have a code guide that list all the available BFC commands and how they can be used? (22 years ago, 2-May-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: ldvdmodeler report
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Thanks for the report, I am currently also testing myself and found and fixed five errors allready, namely: 1. Exporting defaulted the working directory to the E:\ drive, which is my Data Partition but for many people non existent or e.g. a cdrom (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Roland, Thanks again for contributing this program. Everything that you said works, works. My favorite feature is the real time control of the 3dwindow. I think Editing parts points was easy but I still havent quite masterd joint editing yet. I (...) (22 years ago, 30-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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