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Re: newsgroup name for ldraw.org
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lugnet.cad.dev
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Wed, 14 Apr 1999 04:08:29 GMT
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At 04:16 AM 4/14/99 +0000, Todd Lehman wrote:
> Hmm...that has the advantage of being able to rapidly find and scan through
> all of the associated *.org sites, and a nice clean organization, but it has
> the disadvantage of the groups being separated from their most logical
> positions in the ng tree. For example, many of the people who participate
> in baylug.org also post to the ba-lego@cinnamon.com mailing list, which is
> gatewayed with the lugnet.loc.us.ca.sf (San Francisco, California)
> newsgroup. If you were visiting the web page on LUGNET for the San
> Francisco bay area,
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> http://www.lugnet.com/loc/us/ca/sf/
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> and you did a localized search, it wouldn't include lugnet.org.baylug in the
> search because it's outside of the lugnet.loc.us.ca.sf hierarchy.
But couldn't you add some link between the groups in your newsgroup
software so that they are associated?
> I kinda like the idea of mapping Internet domains in reverse order to make
> newsgroup names, but I think they would need to all go under some common
> hierarchy otherwise they'd be alphabetically all mixed together. (Without
> this, .com would sit between .cad and .db and .org would sit between .off-
> topic and .publish.)
Aah... Could we introduce domain-specific discussion that suppliments the
topic discussion of groups like:
trains
cad.dev
loc.us.ca.sf
But is discussion that is relevant to the specific site a group represents,
like...
domains.org.ldraw
domains.org.pnltc
domains.org.baylug
Or is there a better way to organize the groups?
How would domains.org.ldraw suppliment cad.dev? Would this group be used
for the maintenance and discussion of aspects of *the site* rather than
aspects of Ldraw and support programs that the site features?? This seems
logical to me right now... Would these other domains be interested in this?
> Another problem is perception issues of what 'lugnet.org' or 'lugnet.com'
> would mean to people as a newsgroup/hierarchy...I think that's too
> misleading.
Right, it is misleading. A .domains group would be useful...
Could there possibly be just a lugnet.domains discussion group on the need
for domains for various Lego-related organizations, or is this pushing it a
little?
> In any case, if there were some inverse mapping of Internet domains, here's
> how they would sort alphabetically in the *.org.* area...
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> lugnet.org.baylug
> lugnet.org.gmltc
> lugnet.org.ldraw
> lugnet.org.pnltc
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> Notice that .gmltc and .pnltc -- very similar in nature -- are separated by
> something completely unrelated to them. What will this linear list look
> like in 3-10 years when there are 15 or 50 other domains?
Hmmm, the train clubs would naturally want to be in the same area where
they can be easily identified.
> It does have one really nice advantage, though -- the names are all fairly
> short. In my mind, though, that's outweighed by all the other
> disadvantages. In particular, I really like the thought of a special group
> lugnet.trains.org for people to help plan and talk about how to set up more
> clubs like PNLTC and GMLTC. This is forward-expandable to
> lugnet.trains.org.pnltc and lugnet.trains.org.gmltc if those clubs ever
> decided that they wanted discussion areas or mailing lists.
Sounds like a good solution for the train people...
> Anytime; it's very easy. As soon as a name is settled on, basically.
> I don't want to rush it, though (not until I have a good solid gut feeling
> on it, which didn't happen until just a few hours ago).
>
> So -- are there any objections to this ng name--?
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> lugnet.cad.org.ldraw
That works well for me. Depends on whether (sp?) you want to use my
.domains suggestion. Then again, this is probably better since thre can be
groups like
lugnet.trains.org
lugnet.trains.org.pnltc
lugnet.trains.org.gmltc
And then the train people are happy that they are under their own heirarchy.
Go with lugnet.cad.org.ldraw, its fine with me.
> This would have one associated web page,
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> http://www.lugnet.com/cad/org/ldraw/
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> Which would contain a link to www.ldraw.org and contain the web interface to
> the newsgroup articles for the group, and the hierarchy labels at the top of
> the page would read:
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> CAD / Organizations / LDraw /
Ahhh... :) Sounds cool.
> Finally, Tim (or anyone), what would you have as a charter for the ng?
I would set the charter at discussion of aspects of the site such as design
and content, legal rights, contributions, format, and the maintenance of it
in the future. It can also be an area for people to ask questions if they
need help on the site (rather than emailing webmaster@ldraw.org, or
supplemental to such). But this group would have to be kept to different
things as they relate to the site. A good idea would be to have discussion
on software distribution from the site in the site's format, one of the
features I am strongly for but am not sure where individual program authors
stand on.
Obviously you can write that into an attractive concise little charter.
Its 11:06, and even though I usually go to bed at 12, I'm soooo tired since
I got 4 and a half hours of sleep last night. :)
Latest on the site -- I've been looking at fonts all night, I didn't find
an adequate one on my computer. I also need to take a picture of a red 2x3
brick on the digital camera at school instead of screwing with l3p - if I
can get a good closeup I can let Photoshop do the rest for icons and use
one of the studs as a stud bullet.
I'll also be looking at various site designs in the near future to see what
some others have done with graphics....
Keep Building!!
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Message has 4 Replies:
 | | Re: newsgroup name for ldraw.org
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| (...) Fuzzy category cross-referencing would definitely help. (...) Oh. I meant by all of that counter-example-ing that going down that path crumbles because of the immediately arising need for an extra layer, i.e. .domains or equivalent. Because of (...) (25 years ago, 14-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
| | | Charter for newsgroup for ldraw.org
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| (...) How does this sound?-- Focused discussion group for ldraw.org: planning, site architecture, legal issues, contributions, maintenance, software distribution methods and formats, feedback, etc. And a quick opinion poll -- a or b: a) (...) (25 years ago, 14-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
| | | Re: Charter for newsgroup for ldraw.org
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| (...) Excellent! :) (...) Most decidedly A. Keep Building!! -Tim <>< (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 You've seen their sites and read their posts, now see their faces: RTL/LUGNET Legofest 1999: (URL) SP++++c(6973)[ip++++ bt2++++ ex+++ ft+++ sp+++ (...) (25 years ago, 14-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
| | | Re: newsgroup name for ldraw.org
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| (...) Ok, I see your point. Didn't think of that I guess... who would want to move their local-oriented discussion to a generic domain group anywyas? :) Keep Building!! -Tim <>< (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 You've seen their sites and read their (...) (25 years ago, 14-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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| | Re: newsgroup name for ldraw.org
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| (...) Probably better IMO. How soon can a group be set up, Todd? -Tim <>< (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 "Hawaii is a unique state. It is a small state. It is a state that is by itself. It is a --it is different from the other 49 states. Well, all (...) (25 years ago, 13-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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