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(...) [...] Bryce, excellent post, thanks for sharing. I think when someone who recently joined the group sees a large problem here like the rest of us, its really time to do something about it. And I don't think any harm was done by your 'smart (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) True, but in this case throwing Jonathan out would not lead to factions. His posts have been an *entire group* annoyance and though many people have tried to help him throughout these months he has refused this help by his silence. It would be (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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Todd Lehman skrev i meddelandet <37b47be5.155614673@...et.com>... (...) of (...) I didn't _suppose_ anything, I just wrote down a gut reaction. When a group starts throwing people out, it's the beginning of group decay. Some people will always be on (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) What was the rationale motivating the hammer on BriCad? --Todd (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I don't care, really. I'm still wondering why we needed those newfangled L*P tools, anyways. :) I've always been amused at how everyone who creates a part library uses a totally wron^H^H^H^Hdifferent coordinate system and names the pieces (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Indeed! BTW, if someone is being a major PITA in a group, does that in effect become a barrier to entry of sorts? :-/ (...) By "posting filters" I didn't quite mean barriers to -entry- (to beginning to participate, that is) -- although this (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) For sociological reasons, yes? --Todd (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) First I feel that I must apoligize to the Lugnet group. I am new here and have made several smart alec comments about Jonathan. I did not appreciate the scope of the problem nor the seriousness of the Lugnet users. That said I would like to (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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At 10:26 PM 8/13/99 , Larry Pieniazek wrote: snip a good analogy... (...) I think too hastily would have been in February. But now is long past due. He has been asked and told and demanded time upon time to change his mannerisms, his floods of (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) each (...) I agree with joining libraries, but the creators of the libraries might not, especially when parts are in both libraries. Then which do you keep? It may also take a lot of effort to match the scale, coordinate system, and insertion (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) so (...) Those 1060 connections are just considering right angle, studs up connections, though. As we all know by now, that isn't the only way to think: With 2x4 *bricks* only, you can't do much more than studs up, but you can still rotate (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'm a fast reader. And it was a big system. And javac is slow. There's a reason my laptop has 192 meg of memory. But I digress. (...) Yes. Agreed. I ask so that people can nod their heads and say "no, I am calm. Action must be taken" The act (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) The very fact that the question was asked and acknowledged as possible will in and of itself help matters a great deal, I feel. I shan't belabor it any more. (...) Hmm... was nodding my head. Then I jerked. Realised that there is a line (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Here in the US, yes. Unfortunately that is not the case in all of Europe, though. And we're talking about volunteerisim here. Just as a side point I almost destroyed an entire club once trying to apply the way the working world works to (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Why not? I think that Ldrawing sets is indeed useful. But then, my perspective is that of a consumer of instructions, not a creator of them, and I certainly know that I do not have the time nor the interest to get deep into part creation. I am (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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Jonathan, you might try responding directly to that rather lengthy append using interspersed quotes instead of leaving all of it there, then not responding to any of it, or at least not very much of it. I think one thing people are on you about is (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'd say not. I'm looking more for things along the lines of gathering links, making sure stuff works, making pages which are not content-critical. LDrawing sets in large volume is nice, but its not something considered 'giving someone an (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) kl.net? As time permits I will ldraw as much of the castle sub theme (and then others) as possible, given the parts available to me for use. (e.g. the recent creation of the large 6090 baseplate has allowed me to ldraw that set) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) There are parts in l3go and mabie even in lgeo that are not in ldraw yet. I think that before a merge of lgeo and l3go is done then the l3go parts not in ldraw should be done in ldraw.That way there would be nothing in the combined library (...) (25 years ago, 14-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) what I was asking was not for more parts I was asking 1.If I could finish a part he had started 2.If he has submitted parts he had already made for voting 3.What set numbers used a part he had already made (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'd give that one a hearty "Heck, Yes!" :) Except I never did come up with a decent working version of Rayshade/Netshade. I finally settled for the POV- Ray port of L3G0. Even made a few parts for myself. :) No rounded edges, though. :( In (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Good idea, we shouldn't be discussing this in lugnet.flame.flame :) and Steve said: (...) I've done that to LeoCAD a few months ago, when you export a file to POV-Ray it first searches the LGEO library for the parts and then if it cannot find (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Thanks Todd. The way I see it is that he has plenty of enthusiasm, but just isn't cut out for the part-designing facet of Legodom. But as the CLSotW has pointed out, there are 1,060 ways to connect 3 8-stud bricks, so there's got to be a way (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) How bout some help on rudimentary tasks on ldraw.org? There's a lot of stuff that needs to be done that is menial minimum-wage type stuff. Note: 'minimum wage' is an expression - no one's gettin paid here :) -Tim <>< (URL) timcourtne ICQ: (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Any interest in LDLite-meets-L3G0? (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Hmm. Wow. Deep. Yeah, what Tom said. Can things be broken into levels? tasks assigned (via voluntary cooperation)? Are there sub-tasks which could be accomplished by beginners or apprentices just as well as by masters? What's that word? (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) bad, (...) [...] Very nice analogy. This is how restaurants, neighborhoods, dance/night clubs et. al. of all kinds start losing patronage and favor. It all starts with "I'll do what I want in here", which BTW can include the attitude of the (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Must be one heck of a system, to compile that slowly. (...) Yes and no. I'm trying not to reiterate too much here. On other lugnet ng's, I'd be willing to say that jw is just annoying. But under lugnet.cad, he occasionally reaches the level of (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:37b46f3c.152373...net.com... (...) Any part author can tell you the reason for this. Part authoring is such a slow and sometimes painful process that the thought of excluding someone who is (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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Aaaaaaah. Now I stop scrolling back and forth. I was starting to get a bit seasick. ;) for everyone. Steve (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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I just figured it was the group.. you guys are more used to having to adjust your line lengths in order to post .dats.. so I kind of excused that :) there's a good reason.. and one I won't b*tch about :) Keep those .dats a flowing!!! Tamy (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) You seem to suppose that everyone who's willing to learn some craft is worth taking the time to teach that craft. Whatever happened to independent learning? --Todd (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I thought parts were created by people. If you vote against a person, you effectively vote against a whole collection of parts all at once, which seems to me a much more efficient way to filter out rubbish. But I should stop questioning the (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I never said anything about doing that... I even said Time will tell at the end of the message. Though.. to that question.. here's another answer... When your employer asks you many times to do something, and you still don't do it how they (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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But what I really hate is people that can't figure out the line length settings on their newsreader! Sorry folks. -John Van John VanZwieten <john_vanzwieten@email.msn.com> wrote in message news:FGF37K.5D7@lugnet.com... (...) a rather high tolerance (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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Steve Bliss <blisses@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:37b46776.174180...net.com... (...) Perhaps we should take this debate to a more appropriate group: lugnet.cad.dev.on-topic :-) (...) In general the cut-off for details is 1 LDU, or so (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Mookie skrev i meddelandet <37B4507F.81B41AA8@w...tt.net>... (...) Well, throwing people out of the door is not the most pedagogic (w/sp?) way of teaching them, is it? -- Anders Isaksson, Sweden BlockCAD: (2 URLs) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I disagree on this point. LDraw parts should be primarily focused on optimizing rendering in LDraw-tools. Among other things, this means that small-radius curved edges are better drawn as sharp edges. Heck, when you get right down to details, (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:37b44e0d.143876...net.com... (...) Yup. When it's just things that annoy me a little, I overlook them as I have a rather high tolerance for such things. But when it begins to really harm the (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:37b3f4c3.121015...net.com... (...) That (...) Todd, I think you're making this too personal. Vote against a part not a person. (...) it (...) group (...) I honestly don't know what to do here. (...) (25 years ago, 13-Aug-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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