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Re: Porthole alternative
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Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:19:48 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, Tim Courtney writes:
> In lugnet.admin.general, Kyle Beatty writes:
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> > Is it possible, just possible, that the norm (a scary-ish notion in and of
> > itself)
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> Are you saying the idea of a norm is scary? Guess society's all screwed up
> by its very nature. Community norms aren't a bad thing. I have no idea why
> the idea is stigmatized.
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> > is approximately zero-tolerance? And therefore very nearly
> > unsupportable? The mere appearance that there are Posting Police (whether
> > there is or isn't) is really unfortunate and counter productive. Moderation
> > in everything, but especially in moderation.
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> I don't think you can point a finger at anyone and say they have zero
> tolerance. That would be exhibited by them reacting to every infraction,
> and actively seeking out offenders. It would be the embodiment of Dave's
> example. And I see none of that here.
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> The appearance that there are police only exists because a few people spoke
> up in the favor of the community members keeping each other in check. An
> idea that was being trashed by others. Its the people who take offense to
> the idea that there is the appearance of police that cause this problem,
> that escalate stuff like this. And, I believe it also exists because a few
> people who have been put off by this form of correction like to target the
> correctors.
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> If people accepted correction graciously, like people on LUGNET used to, and
> didn't carry the attitude that this is their own personal playground, and if
> everyone shared the burden of keeping each other in check versus staying
> silent and leaving it to a few, we wouldn't be dealing with this, would we?
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> -Tim
Your points are well-taken, but even as someone who hasn't had opportunity
to be corrected, I get the distinct feeling that the playground isn't really
all that open or fun. It doesn't take very many well-intentioned shots
across too many practically-innocent bows to keep _all_ the ships out of the
harbor. I have absolutely no animus toward anyone on these boards (quite the
opposite) but being in a conversation like this has to make me wonder
whether something hasn't gone awry.
Characterizing unhappy responses to correction as being inherently
anti-Lugnet is dangerous. (By the way, every time I use this expression,
"correction," the hair on the back of my neck stands up. It really creeps me
out in a deeply Orwellian way.)
- Kyle
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| Why am I still up? Working on NILTC stuff for this weekend. Burning the candle at both ends again... :-\ "Kyle Beatty" <carbunicle@appleogue.net> wrote in message news:GsA9p0.9I1@lugnet.com... (...) I think people choose for themselves not to allow (...) (25 years ago, 1-Mar-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| (...) I certainly agree that there seems to be a lot more "correction" and related noise. I think there are a few problems here. - The Lugnet admins have not had a lot of time recently to do the administrative stuff they used to do. This has (...) (25 years ago, 1-Mar-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| (...) Are you saying the idea of a norm is scary? Guess society's all screwed up by its very nature. Community norms aren't a bad thing. I have no idea why the idea is stigmatized. (...) I don't think you can point a finger at anyone and say they (...) (25 years ago, 1-Mar-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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