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Re: Porthole alternative
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Fri, 1 Mar 2002 05:07:15 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, Tim Courtney writes:
> "Matt Hein" <Pyrokid17@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Gs9tC4.Hys@lugnet.com...
> > In lugnet.admin.general, David Koudys writes:
> > > Did anyone ever see Soul Man... It's a comedy movie from the '80's...
> > > One scene, kid driving down the road, followed closely by the cops. Cops
> > > were *waiting* for the kid to do *something* slightly out of place. Kid
> > > swerves to avoid someone's car door opening, cops pull him over and arrest
> > > him for he 'crossed the yellow line', the legitmate reason was irrelevant to
> > > the cops, they just wnated to bust the kid.
> > >
> > > This is Community Policing.
> > >
> > > This is what I have an issue with.
> >
> > Hey! Same here! Sure, it's fine if somebody corrects an error, but It really
> > gets bad when they self appoint themselves as LUGNET police. It takes all
> > the fun out of the original discussion,and turns it into a flame war,
> > something I don't like to familiarize myself with.
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> The illustration above is not at all what I picture Larry's actions to be. Nor
> is it what I picture anyone else's actions who has advocated community policing
> to be.
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> I'm not clearly for Larry's POV or Bram's POV in the recent situation, it seems
> a bit nebulous. They both make good points, I won't side either way in this
> one.
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> BUT - what I do see is people claiming others are hunting people down, and
> little weight behind those words. Sure, some of us, myself included, have
> strongly advocated users correcting other users, both to keep issues out of
> admin hands so they don't have to deal with them and also because it preserves
> the desired atmosphere, but that's different than actively seeking people out
> like the illustration above.
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> I see no difference between Larry pointing out someone's infraction and someone
> who has been here a couple days doing the same. The only difference is, people
> like to go after someone like Larry.
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> Please, show some common sense about the whole community policing issue and
> don't be so quick to label people negatively with it. I only advocated it,
> along with a few others, because the concept was vehemently disagreed with, some
> people wanted all correction placed within admin hands and believed no one else
> had the right to guide our community. We backed it up with a strong retort,
> advocating each person here's responsibility towards the community, and also
> stated we would act in this way ourselves. It isn't that big of a deal, really.
> If you look at it, people like Larry or myself aren't looking for a fight. But
> we certainly make nice targets, probably cause we're loud.
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> > > This is not the "oh gosh aren't we one big happy family that can get along"
> > > LUGNET that I would personally like to see.
> >
> > Nope, I personally think policing is good only If you don't publicly
> > humiliate the poster. They should take it to email.
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> Subjective. Sure, if someone wants to verbally rip into someone else (I don't
> advocate that, but if), its better for email. If someone wants to gently guide,
> does so politely, and the offending party takes offense, its their problem.
> Besides, polite public correction 1) ensures the offender doesn't get corrected
> multiple times and thus annoyed via email and 2) sets an example for other
> people who may not understand or respect the norm.
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> -Tim
Is it possible, just possible, that the norm (a scary-ish notion in and of
itself) is approximately zero-tolerance? And therefore very nearly
unsupportable? The mere appearance that there are Posting Police (whether
there is or isn't) is really unfortunate and counter productive. Moderation
in everything, but especially in moderation.
- Kyle
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| (...) Hopefully this thread is far enough removed from the original infraction that this post can be taken as unbiased... IMHO, all the "policing", or "gentle guidance", or whatever posts are much more annoying than the infractions themselves. The (...) (23 years ago, 1-Mar-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| (...) Are you saying the idea of a norm is scary? Guess society's all screwed up by its very nature. Community norms aren't a bad thing. I have no idea why the idea is stigmatized. (...) I don't think you can point a finger at anyone and say they (...) (23 years ago, 1-Mar-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| "Matt Hein" <Pyrokid17@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Gs9tC4.Hys@lugnet.com... (...) The illustration above is not at all what I picture Larry's actions to be. Nor is it what I picture anyone else's actions who has advocated community policing (...) (23 years ago, 1-Mar-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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