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(...) American themed, European themed... at one level I don't care. Whatever LEGO produces, I (we) can do better(1). So any set is good, regardless of how it looks as a set, *IF* it has good parts. And I agree that this set looks like it will have (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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Another well-balanced discussion evolving here I see... (...) Agreed, so far. (...) Er, perhaps that statement could be qualified a little. Maybe North American prototypes resonate with the American audiences that you tend to find attending American (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) And I don't either, I just think its great that Lego is still producing trains, especially ones based on real prototypes (although slightly more generic ones would be good too) However you mention that this set will strike a chord when seen at (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Fair cop. How big are train shows elsewhere though? How big is the market elsewhere? In Singapore, no one I talked to (small sample) had even heard of a train show! I suggest that there IS a market here, one worth trying to serve. The US (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) I'm kinda with Larry on this one--rtlToronto, a new additoin to the train show experience, has been doing 3-4 shows per year for the past few years. I know that Calum wants to keep things 'euro' (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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As an Australian living in the UK I have to weigh in on this debate. (...) Nor do I. If I want realism I'll build it myself. If I want a nice Lego set, I don't care where it comes from (...) One thing I find is that American trains generally look (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) In the Netherlands we have 4-6 BIG shows (read over 20k visitors, from NW-Europe) every year, plus dozens smaller ones (between dozens and a few hundred attendees) by local clubs and such. (...) The new "high speed train" doesn't look like (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) They're not though - they don't work for European fans any more than they work for Americans. Just because they don't look like American prototypes you assume they must therefore satisfy everyone else, and they don't. You can't claim they're (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Living at 50 meters from the Deventer - Almelo tracks, I can give some examples of European train style: 1) no automatic couplers between freight cars 2) buffers (is that the right word for those round shock absorbers that each car end has two (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) OK. I think we're getting bogged here though. I'd love to see way more sets in the range too, but my point stands, these sets are good for *a* large market. Not the only market, granted, but one that, prior to the ATSF F unit, had ZIP for (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Some of Paul Arzens work is typical for Algiers, France, the Netherlands and even Spain (and no doubt many more, he was the French company Alsthom's main designer for several decades): (URL) some of his later work (URL) are the striping, and (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Well, what's distinct about the trains themselves? There's been some good comments so far but here's some more... -Two axle freight cars -Electric propulsion vs Diesel-Electric -Brighter colours -Advanced technology, eg, TGV, ICE. Overall? (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) This one looks pretty big (URL) (I must try to check it out one year). And there are many smaller shows across Australia each year. (...) Well, that's another good question. From the feedback we received at our first small show, I'd say (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) 100K is not too shabby at all. Bigger than most shows we do in the US actually. (...) Question: My read of AU prototype stuff (from the smattering I've seen mostly thanks to the good offices of AU AFOLS sharing their knowledge) is that while (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) That's because a lot of it starts off as US: (URL) Dash 8> (URL) Roster list of the BHPBilliton IRON ORE ROAD> JOHN (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Well that's precisely what I was driving at! You're no fun. (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Train shows in the UK are many and have up to 20,000 visitors. I've done a 17,500 2-day show at the NEC in Brimingham as well as several 2-3000 shows and a few 500-1000 shows. I have a 14,000 show lined up for September. There are a lot of (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Yeah, I cringe a little at the thought of doing something for a show that size... (...) Yep, pretty much. And it would be nice to have a specifically AU set (maybe Ghan or Southern Aurora), but I'm not sure it would be a hit anyway. I was (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) nice choice, Oh well, we can but dream! tim (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) But you DO have British protos now! There's Thomas, Percy, James and all his other DUPLO freinds to play with! ;-D Legoswami (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) I'm interested (an supprised that you consider 4561 to be European in feel, When I first saw it I thought space themed more than anything, if I had place it geographically I spose I might pick Japan, but only if pushed. Tim (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I find this interesting, can you quantify or elaborate on what makes a train 'train-like' For example what makes a TGV more train like than for example ICE3 (URL) or Pendolino (URL) I don't think it helps that the trains differ from country to (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Thanks to everyone who has answered. I think that these Paul Arzens trains are the closest thing to the real answer to my question. They do seem quite a distinctly European (as opposed to a single country) design and I have noted similar (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Pendolino. Certainly I had heard of the Shinkansen and TGV long before I'd heard of the ICE. I can't really qualify beyond that though: succesful design just seems to work in an intrinsic way. That however may just be me! (...) to see one 'in (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I think if you're talking British locomotive prototypes, the only ones with international recognition are either models from the Awdry series or historic engines such as the Rocket or Mallard, most of which would need a new moulding for (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Now, to me, that looks the part. This one not so much: (...) entire train of streamlined head, tail, and coaches. The problem with any of them though is to pick a colour scheme that will have appeal, when they vary so much from one region or (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Don't forget the Scotsman..... SNIPPED (...) I think the Deltic Class 55 series would be a good choice as far as British protos go. (...) Thats a good choice too. IMO, since both these locos (Class 55 and Class 50) are there in Microsoft's (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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In lugnet.trains, Timothy Gould wrote: ... (...) Not exactly, the design is quite different from TGV and "Duplex TGV". TGV exists in various liveries - here a link that help you to clearly understand. (URL) Focus on : "Sud-Est" (older one) with his (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Agreed, would be a good official model I think. (...) Well I like it but I don't think it would work as an official model. I included it as an example of loco that is fairly widespread. (...) Agreed, but the seperate vehicles concept can apply (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I suppose Japan if pushed too. I made a Shinkasen out of 2 copies and some extra parts, after all, way way back when. Jason's right though, I have, in this thread, fallen into the trap of categorising everything, accurate rendition or not, (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Good points. I think what you need is either a design that looks particularly desirable (like the SFSC), or something that includes desirable colours (like the BNSF did). How about picking a livery that's mostly dark blue? Jason Railton (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I can satisfy the first part :-) (URL) The real ones run every day along the line south from Derby, probably 2 an hour, along with probably another 2 goods trains with other locos and several DMUs and HSTs. Mark (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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