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(...) Mallard in (dark?) blue with big red wheels, skirts and dark orange (teak) white-roofed carriages... Jason Railton (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Good points. I think what you need is either a design that looks particularly desirable (like the SFSC), or something that includes desirable colours (like the BNSF did). How about picking a livery that's mostly dark blue? Jason Railton (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I'm not sure that's an accurate sampling, then. Perhaps for clubs just getting started, it is, but the vast majority of stuff running on more established club layouts at shows is scratchbuilt. Yes, you'll see some stock stuff, but take a look (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I suppose Japan if pushed too. I made a Shinkasen out of 2 copies and some extra parts, after all, way way back when. Jason's right though, I have, in this thread, fallen into the trap of categorising everything, accurate rendition or not, (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Ya, give us a Mallard, (or Flying Scotsman, I'm not picky) and some UK stock to go with it! (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Agreed, would be a good official model I think. (...) Well I like it but I don't think it would work as an official model. I included it as an example of loco that is fairly widespread. (...) Agreed, but the seperate vehicles concept can apply (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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In lugnet.trains, Timothy Gould wrote: ... (...) Not exactly, the design is quite different from TGV and "Duplex TGV". TGV exists in various liveries - here a link that help you to clearly understand. (URL) Focus on : "Sud-Est" (older one) with his (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Don't forget the Scotsman..... SNIPPED (...) I think the Deltic Class 55 series would be a good choice as far as British protos go. (...) Thats a good choice too. IMO, since both these locos (Class 55 and Class 50) are there in Microsoft's (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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Hello! (...) I have to say! I'm shocked. Jake, I didn't know you would.... (URL) me, I'm a link!>> Bye Jojo (URL) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.fun, FTX)
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(...) I was wondering if you could substitute an axle pin for that 2-stud axle, to get a little more grip, but it looks like the plates above are two 2x4 technic plates in a T-arrangement. So, there's no way the pin could click in place. As it's (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Now, to me, that looks the part. This one not so much: (...) entire train of streamlined head, tail, and coaches. The problem with any of them though is to pick a colour scheme that will have appeal, when they vary so much from one region or (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Actually, this is something I've noticed quite often, but haven't seen discussed. Most of the pictures I see of American train shows suggest the majority of trains running are official models. With European train shows, there are very few, if (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I think if you're talking British locomotive prototypes, the only ones with international recognition are either models from the Awdry series or historic engines such as the Rocket or Mallard, most of which would need a new moulding for (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Pendolino. Certainly I had heard of the Shinkansen and TGV long before I'd heard of the ICE. I can't really qualify beyond that though: succesful design just seems to work in an intrinsic way. That however may just be me! (...) to see one 'in (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Thanks to everyone who has answered. I think that these Paul Arzens trains are the closest thing to the real answer to my question. They do seem quite a distinctly European (as opposed to a single country) design and I have noted similar (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I find this interesting, can you quantify or elaborate on what makes a train 'train-like' For example what makes a TGV more train like than for example ICE3 (URL) or Pendolino (URL) I don't think it helps that the trains differ from country to (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I'm interested (an supprised that you consider 4561 to be European in feel, When I first saw it I thought space themed more than anything, if I had place it geographically I spose I might pick Japan, but only if pushed. Tim (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) One thing that seems to have been missed in this thread is that the new set is designed to go with the BNSF loco and so it is pretty appropriate and representative of this type of train. It would be nice if this kind of thinking continued, (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) The Bettendorf type trucks (is that a manufacturer or a generic type or patent?) look like a swing arm type and yes, are very different from any truck you could make with the stock Lego wheelsets, however I'm sure there are/have been many (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Sez the guy who's now a CSF-lovin' spacer. ;) Build some of your steamers again, foo! Legoswami (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) But you DO have British protos now! There's Thomas, Percy, James and all his other DUPLO freinds to play with! ;-D Legoswami (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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Dear John, dear Tim, (...) Thank you for these insights. It made the whole issue a lot clearer. Thanks, Christian (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) nice choice, Oh well, we can but dream! tim (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) <snip> (...) No, its not bad. I have several of those for that same purpose. Sometimes I wonder if designers are being kind and designing sets with dual purpose uses for some of the parts. Kind of like like buying SW sets and using the (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Well, go to 1000steineland in Berlin this summer, and you'll get more than enough European train designs for a start. HTH, Christian (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I think that certainly helps, but I'd be interested in your sources. Mine are just what I vaguely remember from articles in TRAINS magazine all these years (coming up on my 35th anniversary as a subscriber)... (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Ummm guys, if you're gonna keep going down this thread, you might wanna take it to o-t.fun or somewhere - I think it's been way off topic for trains for quite a while now... ROSCO (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.off-topic.fun, FTX)
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(...) Hmmm, just maybe I'm clever enough to hang out in CSF......nah! :-) JOHN (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) It has always been my understanding that the FIRST reason for shared trucks is to reduce Rolling Resistance. Fewer wheels means less rolling resistance. But, I could be wrong on this. . (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Ah yes, the blind leading the blind. You two make quite the pair. Charming, really. Now run along. The grownups have important stuff to talk about. :-) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Actually, Kevoh nailed it. You've been had. JOHN (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Ya, every time someone trashes Jake for not looking out for us, I remember that set. Pretty slick move. So slick, I'm willing to forgive Jake for finagling his own minifig. (URL) or (URL) WHO can POSSIBLY say that isn't a minifig Jake??? (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Stick to that line of thought, Kevoh... it might even work for you, over with the spacers. (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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In lugnet.trains, James Seibert wrote: <snip> (...) Actually, Jake already delivered on this request, although in a sneaky way. It was Jake who (strongly?) suggested to the set designers that set #7045, Hovercraft Hideout (URL) would greatly benefit (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) No, I think his move was a good one. The classic "I know I made a mistake, but through word play I will make it seem like you are the one with the mistake" You just didn't get the joke. ~Kevoh what's this thread even about? some new train? (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Nice try there, J2... Well played, in fact, but no. You lose. (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Might not have occurred to you that I was kidding; perhaps a bit too subtle. Sorry for any confusion on your end:-) JOHN (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed those... I think the part in question is this (URL) one>. Which unfortunately was only shipped in one set (the rather rare 3800). It would be very nice if those were available at PaB. It would be great if (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.publish.photography, lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) This is what is called pointing out that YOU were wrong, within the framework of apology. Sorry if it was a bit too subtle for you! How about this?? "You're wrong! Twice in one thread tree, no less!" (some snippage) (...) Ya, that pretty much (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Marginally, yes. But much more important is the significant reduction in tare(1) weight, and the reduction in length. Since TOFC/COFC(2) is operated at high speeds, in long trains, less tare means more payload per horsepower used, and less (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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