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| | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | My beefs aren't with scale. I realize that TLG couldn't make this thing big enough, because it would just cost too much. I stand by my comments, however, on the matters of: - color... once again, light blue?!?! why not more dark gray? [Cost to fix (...) (25 years ago, 15-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | (...) Please explain how you can make this Piece Out of Other Pieces. Use the back of the paper if you need extra room. I don't think you actually can. eric (25 years ago, 15-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | That depends on your definition of POOP. If you define it as Piece Of One Purpose, then it fits the bill... I was defining it as such. ~Mark (...) the back (...) (25 years ago, 15-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | BTW, I realize that I used a non-standard, or '"incorrect" definition, if you will. Perhaps I should have called it a PEWC... but that stands for Pre-fab Explorien Wing Cockpit... so only the Cockpit moniker applies. Anyone have a better acronym for (...) (25 years ago, 15-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Well, we could just refer to it as the M-F(ing) cockpit piece. But this is a family show. :D I hadn't heard POOP defined as "Piece of One Purpose", I knew it only as the insidious "Piece of other Pieces", which is the evilest thing Lego has (...) (25 years ago, 15-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) you (...) Pre-fab (...) Sounds good to me. (...) Dang. (...) as the (...) ever (...) Yeah, or how about the Adventurers car-seat thing... bleah. I have a whole bin full of POOPs and BURPs... though more of the former than the latter. ~Mark (...) (25 years ago, 15-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Adam Hoekwater
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Hi Mark, I think that the generally accepted acronym for a big piece with one barely- reasonable purpose is SPUD (Single Purpose Ugly/Unusable Design). HTH! -Adam 8^D (25 years ago, 15-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Jonathan Wilson
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| | | | | | | | (...) I vote for SPUD or single purpose ugly decorative (25 years ago, 15-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | | (...) I think a SPUD is more like the trees or the li'l flowers... I don't really think of a cockpit window as a "decorative" element, though it is certainly a single purpose element. How about SPUC for single purpose ugly cockpit/canopy? Doesn't (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Shiri Dori
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| | | | | | (...) As others in this thread mentioned, your definition is actually a SPUD, which has many definitions but is often known as Single Purpose UnLEGOish Design. -Shiri P.S. <plug> (URL) (25 years ago, 16-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —James Simpson
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| | | | | | (...) Perhaps, but...such UnLEGOish designs are sadly becoming VERY LEGOish. (25 years ago, 16-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | (...) LEGOish. Yeah... I recently inherited some of my little bro's Lego parts because he's entering High School and (gasp!) doesn't want them anymore. I was suprised at the huge SPUD/POOP boat-hull things that came from the TimeCruisers set. Much (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Millennium Falcon Saucer Bottoms (Was: Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion) —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | (...) By the way, does anyone know what colour these are on 7190? Or are they black again? best LFB (25 years ago, 15-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Saucer Bottoms (Was: Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion) —Jeff Stembel
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| | | | | | (...) Gray. I saw a low angle shot a while ago... Jeff (25 years ago, 16-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —James Simpson
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| | | | | (...) I agree with you 100%. We all expected a paired-down Falcon, but I don't think that we expected such a thrown-together and poorly-conceived specimen. Though it was designed for kids, TLC should still have taken pride in faithfully reproducing (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Stephen Pakbaz
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| | | | (...) While putting togrther my falcon I noticed a pattern with the different colored pieces. Example: All 1x3 plates were brown All 1x8 tiles were gray All 1x2 grill tiles were blue All 1x4 tiles were dark gray All 2x4 bricks were red All 3x3 (...) (25 years ago, 18-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Chris Maddison
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| | | | | (...) True, but I know that when I was a kid, I could distinguish color much better than piece type. For example, I could distinguish red 2x4's from blue 2x4's easier than I could blue 2x4's from blue 2x3's. I looked for color before piece type. So, (...) (25 years ago, 18-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | | (...) I've noticed this in other sets too. If you bought a set to increase your supply of a certain color, it makes it extremely annoying because you end up having tons of one piece in a color but not of a similar yet useful piece...for example, I (...) (25 years ago, 18-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | | (...) Something similar can be seen in most recent sets, ie. the MTT and the ATT. I suppose the LEGO Company manufactures the sets this way to cut costs: If you can cut down the part type/colour variations there is in a set, you can also cut down (...) (25 years ago, 19-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | <old man voice> When I was a kid, our spaceships were BLUE and GRAY and we LIKED IT. </old man voice> I don't buy that argument. I built my own stuff when I was a kid. IMO, if you have to learn to differentiate between parts, it only makes you a (...) (25 years ago, 19-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | (...) 'scuse me? I thought kids were supposed to have *fun* with LEGO first, not suffer through character-building exercises. But I tend to agree with Fredrick's explanation, anyway. The fewer part-color combinations there are, the simpler (cheaper) (...) (25 years ago, 19-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | (...) not (...) a (...) Scuse me? Since when was building things out of LEGO considered "suffering?" I sure wasn't "suffering" when I was a kid and got my 6980 Galaxy Commander... I was thrilled! It was the biggest spaceship of the LEGO lineup at (...) (25 years ago, 19-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —James Simpson
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| | | | | | | (...) Well-said. Kids don't suffer for being asked to use their brains and develop a few problem-solving skills. IMHO, sets should be designed with attractiveness in mind (and, in regards to SW, with accuracy as well); who cares what color a child's (...) (25 years ago, 22-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | (...) It all depends on your definitions. 'Suffering' to one person is 'enjoying' to another.[1] Some kids would be highly frustrated by having to backtrack a couple of steps. Some won't. In your earlier post, you said: (...) (BTW, I generally agree (...) (25 years ago, 24-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | (...) So? Does that mean LEGO should pander to the lowest-common-denominator and the short-of-attention-span by making their sets build-by-color? Bah. I think long-time LEGO builders all possess a certain retentiveness that allows them to paw (...) (25 years ago, 24-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Toki Barron
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| | | | | | | | (...) This hasn't been mentioned yet, so I guess I'll throw in my $0.02. Personally, I'd rather have all matching bricks for my MOCs, but if you look at the stuff that some of the younger kids submit to the Lego magazine, they often are just (...) (25 years ago, 24-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | | | | I think that depends on the kid. I got my first DUPLO set when I was 4. I built multicolored things then, sure. When I got the Alpha I Rocket Base in 1980 for my 6th birthday, I was really excited. I got a set of REAL LEGO! From then on, I was (...) (25 years ago, 24-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Aaron West
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| | | | | | | | (...) Personally, (...) In reply, you build with what you've got. My larger projects as a child (sub- 13) were ambitious yet plagued with the "rainbow disease". I had many red and white bricks, followed by blue, yellow and finally black and grey. I (...) (25 years ago, 24-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —David Eaton
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| | | | | | (...) Well, I don't think I agree with the 'supposed to' part. I think OFTEN, character building is unpleasant, but I think it can be fun as well... ESPECIALLY when you can see the results. As someone else pointed out (James S. I think) he was (...) (25 years ago, 24-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —James Simpson
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| | | | | | (...) Dave, I think that you have written the most concise and articulate statement regarding what is wrong with Lego today. I don't have a perfect analogy offhand, but being a fan of Lego these days is like watching an accident about to happen, or (...) (25 years ago, 24-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Joshua Cirinna
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| | | | (...) I don't really understand everyones perturbance about "juniorization" or whatever else you dont like about the pieces you get. I bought this set because I wanted the special pieces and the figures. frankly, any other pieces that it comes with (...) (25 years ago, 19-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | (...) pieces (...) red (...) more (...) plates, (...) What we complain about are things that reach us on an emotional level. Those of us who are against "juniorization" are against it because we see this as a cheapening of the toys we grew up with (...) (25 years ago, 19-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Aaron West
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| | | | | (...) I'd like to add that BURPs and POOPs are essential to some of my projects. They allow space conservation where bricks would not. However, it would suck if that was ALL I had. They add to creativity in my case and I welcome them to my (...) (25 years ago, 19-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | (...) projects. (...) would suck (...) them (...) I'll agree with you there. I like some of the POOPs, like the saucer parts. And I agree that BURPs can make building a mountain easier. Still, I was mainly addressing the question of "why do you (...) (25 years ago, 20-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Alan Gerber
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| | | | (...) Here's an example of how limiting the 1x4x3 poops are compared to 1x4s: if you had one 2 1x4x3 bricks, you have 24 possible combonations. If you have six 1x4s, you have 102,081,500 possible combonations. Incredible. Alan (25 years ago, 20-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | | (...) If I was playing the devil's advocate, I would say that this train of thought suggests that there should be no bricks, only plates. After all, according to your math, there are only 24 ways to combine to 1x4 bricks, but there are 102,081,500 (...) (25 years ago, 20-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | (...) I didn't realise there was a 1x4x3 brick (!!). I've only seen thinwalls and windows of that dimension; the thinwalls, of course, don't count as POOPs, because they perform a service that cannot be rendered with standard bricks--namely, making (...) (25 years ago, 20-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Sonny Sidhu
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| | | | | (...) This raises an interesting point. Let's take, for example, some of the rock-patterned slopes on Ninja sets. If Lego gave you 20 preprinted slopes with which to make that shape, people would be whining day and night about having so many (...) (25 years ago, 20-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Sonny Sidhu
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| | | | | | | | (...) What I meant was that it might be great for a Ninja set, but the utility of those preprinted parts ends there. You can't use them in Space, Town (for the most part), or anything nautical like Hydronauts or boats. Using them would be akin to (...) (25 years ago, 20-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Slopes with rock patterns? Those would be so great! Any time a sloped rock wall was needed, they could be employed. I've built a Divers display (nothing fancy, just the 'official' models with some extra background), with a pier made out of (...) (25 years ago, 22-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) those (...) to (...) But you raised an example that if instead of the wall panel, there were a bunch of pre-printed slopes that people would complain about, and that in that case, you would rather have one large piece which is easier to toss (...) (25 years ago, 24-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —James Simpson
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| | | | | | (...) You make a good point, but I don't think that I agree with you. I wouldn't use the 20 said bricks in all my building projects involving slopes, but I would use them in some, as I felt appropriate. I would rather have 20 preprinted slopes that (...) (25 years ago, 22-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | | | | | Re: Millennium Falcon Opinion —Alan Gerber
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| | | | (...) because (...) making (...) Oh...oops, I meant 2x4s and 2x4x3s. Alan (25 years ago, 20-May-00, to lugnet.starwars)
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