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| | | Hi Jon Palmer, I also have designed a "space building standard" concept. It is not designed by a group. It is of a much finer granularity (brick level). It is also somewhat terse so I expect no popularity. (URL) I want to submit it to (...) (22 years ago, 29-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com — Todd Lehman
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| | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Jesse Alan Long
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| | | | | (...) Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Ami Mizuno! What do you mean by all of this on that page? I mean, granted, I have a 122 I.Q. but anything beyond pre-algebra I have a hard time understanding. They do look nice but my theory is to simply (...) (22 years ago, 29-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Tom Sciortino
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| | | | | | | (...) all of (...) I kind of agree here. This reminds me of music theory: while it's all true and makes sense if you study it long enough, does John Williams really think "I should change keys 12 bars into the second phrase using a regressive (...) (22 years ago, 29-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Luke Ma
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| | | | | | | | | (...) true (...) think (...) I agree that sometimes theory can go interfere with visceral enjoyment. However, as an aspiring music theorist, I'd like to extend your analogy: John Williams probably DOES think about cadences and key transitions. His (...) (22 years ago, 29-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Tom Sciortino
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| | | | | | | | | | "Luke Ma" <Luke_Ma@brown.edu> wrote in message news:H015wJ.4FK@lugnet.com... <snip> (...) Haha, ya got me. I'm really an engineer - I just hang around a lot of music majors, so I was dropping some of those big words I hear them say. Napoleon, (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Hey, it's all stripey ice cream to me... Steve (22 years ago, 30-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Damien Guichard
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| | | | | | | | (...) Hi Tom, Of course my concept describes the shape so there is some parallel with music theory and other grammars. It is a construction of its own. So one motivation is just the beauty of it. A second motivation is that photos and building (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Damien Guichard
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| | | | | | (...) Hi Jesse, I agree with you. Simple ideas should have simple presentation. It also came to my mind that the real or perceived complexity of my building system may be a poor mist for charlatanism. I am not naive: where there is seduction there (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Lucas Thompson
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| | | | | | (...) <snip> (...) Thanks, this has at least helped me to understand what you're getting at. But it seems to me that this system doesn't account for building techniques that work at multiple angles. For example, using bricks with studs on the side (...) (22 years ago, 31-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Damien Guichard
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| | | | | | (...) Hi Lucas, Studs on side are taken into account in basic cases such as headligths (as "light") and cone engines (as "egret"). Remember the building system is designed for classic space theme (early 1980s). There was no bricks with studs on the (...) (22 years ago, 31-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | (...) endeavor. I build things until they "feel" right or I decide they look the way I want them to. Besides that, I got lost somewhere in all the math-speak (double plus ungood) and just quit reading it by the second paragraph. Sorry, but you lost (...) (22 years ago, 29-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Damien Guichard
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| | | | | | (...) Particularly interesting. You are not so far. Let the "right feel" surface to conscious and describe me its shape. Would it not be an artistic endeavor? At first I wanted to prepend a "reader guide" introducing paragraph to facilitate (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Mark Sandlin
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| | | | | | (...) Maybe I'm losing something due to the language barrier. Sounds like trying to take the creative building process and turn it into math or something. Yuck!!! I just don't get it. ~GAMH (22 years ago, 30-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Alexander Zwagerman
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| | | | | | | I'm with Mark on this one. Although LEGO is great for learning maths and logical thinking (I have used LEGO in the classroom, being a teacher), it's basic strength is enabling one to be creative. Creativity must lie within the limits of the product (...) (22 years ago, 31-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Luke Ma
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| | | | | | | | | "Alexander Zwagerman" <alexander@zwagerman.net> wrote in message news:H036vr.BAo@lugnet.com... (...) it's (...) I don't think theory describes only the limits of anything it's trying to describe. Most would agree that music is in essence a creative (...) (22 years ago, 31-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Damien Guichard
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Hi Luke, Exactly my position. Don't be blasé but don't expect something grandiose. Thanks for your support, Damien (22 years ago, 31-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Damien Guichard
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| | | | | | | | (...) Hi Alexander, My lego calculus does not describe limits of lego bricks. Describing limits of lego bricks is the purpose of the LCD project (URL) specifications will be usefull to LCAD users. Again, my building system is not specifying but (...) (22 years ago, 31-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Damien Guichard
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| | | | | | (...) Hi Mark, You perfectly got the idea. If you are curious enough about your "right feel" you can turn your satisfying results into desirable shapes. Then, by extending your conscious into your imagination, these shapes can be described as if (...) (22 years ago, 31-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | (...) That's neat! But how do you use this? What does it add to your building, analysis, or other abilities? thanks, Chris (22 years ago, 29-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Damien Guichard
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| | | | | | (...) Hi Chris, Building competence has great successes in showings but is miserable in sharing. Not because of egoism but lack of a foundation to communicate it. Surely I only present known assemblies. But I present them in a new way, a framework (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Luke Ma
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| | | | | AWESOME..I agree with todd here. I don't know where this should go but it should definitely be kept. I agree with some others' opinions that this does not necessarily benefit the lay reader to a great degree. However, I think that as people do more (...) (22 years ago, 29-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Jeff Jardine
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| | | | | | | (...) Definitely a great foundation started by Damien - it is tools like this that allow hobbies to evolve into something bigger. i.e. If an expert builder were to formally train novices, a language like this would be crucial. Or, it could allow all (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Damien Guichard
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| | | | | | | | (...) Hi Jeff, I also think the LEGO group should include "building guidelines" in his products. Or at least more idea books. Childs can not infer a building practice by themselves. They are quickly discouraged by trials and failures. I am very (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Jeff Jardine
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| | | | | | | | (...) Sorry - I didn't mean to offend your sensibilities. Let me try to explain: Like others, I see your calculus as something very similar to music theory. Properties of a piece of music, such as it's tempo or key, do not measure the value of a (...) (22 years ago, 31-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Luke Ma
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| | | | | | | | | Jeff, Sorry to make this my rant space almost but I once again have to set something straight about music theory: Tempo, notes, key signatures...that is not really music theory...it is only part of it. Those qualifications are analogous to the color (...) (22 years ago, 31-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Damien Guichard
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Hi Jeff, I totally agree with Luke. If you have to be disappointed by my building system, I think the sooner the better for you. The thread has more replies than the original document deserve. Fortunately I have used a discouraging form. (...) (22 years ago, 1-Aug-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Jeff Jardine
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I've done some homework: (URL) was very helpful - although this example was used strictly as an analogy, I think I have a much better grasp on what Damien's concepts. His constructors (pair, bridge, balance etc) are somewhat analogous to (...) (22 years ago, 1-Aug-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Luke Ma
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| | | | | | | | | | Jeff, Wow! You certainly have done your homework. And Schenkerguide is a pretty decent place to start :) I'm glad you understand Schenker a bit now and the way in which I see it relates to Damien's Lego Calc. Schenker is mostly used for analysis and (...) (22 years ago, 1-Aug-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Damien Guichard
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Hi Jeff, Hi Luke, Your both interpretations conform to mine. I fear that replying linguistic analogies to your music analogies is not a good way to better understand each-other. So I will only speak about lego hobby. I read your Schenkerian (...) (22 years ago, 1-Aug-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Jeff Jardine
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I've done some peeking around the internet for Harmonic analysis - there are some sites that mention it in a musical context, but most appear to be about mathematics. It's good to stretch your brain once in awhile, but I think I've already (...) (22 years ago, 2-Aug-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Luke Ma
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Jeff, That's odd that you found a lot of mathematical explanations for it... Pitch-class sets are the new mathematical way of understanding atonal music but harmonic analysis (Roman numeral) should be fairly non-mathematical. In any case, I'm happy (...) (22 years ago, 2-Aug-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Damien Guichard
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Hi Jeff, (...) It's not the time for expansion. It's the time for consolidation. I expected a slight conceptual change. In my system being more mature means being more constructive. So I expected part of the "ornamental" hierarchy to be promoted (...) (22 years ago, 3-Aug-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Damien Guichard
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| | | | | | | | | | Hi Luke, Reading your wise replies one more time inspires me more comments. (...) Locality is an important aspect of my building system. The system enforces local optimum. I agree a global optimum may be more desirable. The fact that a global (...) (22 years ago, 3-Aug-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Damien Guichard
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| | | | | | | | (...) Hi Jeff, I understand that some readers like both lego and music and may be want to "listen" their models, I mean have some non visual perception of them. I have no doubts their extra perceptive talents help them when building. I have no sound (...) (22 years ago, 31-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Damien Guichard
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| | | | | | (...) Thanks Luke, You have seen the real issues of building categories. Not giving lessons. No fan needs or wants lessons. But revealing some of the magic we call imagination. Knowing productivity better and yet knowing nothing more productive. (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Wayne R. Hussey
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| | | | | (...) Whereas I do have an idea what you're speaking to, I do not see the relevance to "space" only. It seems to me to be something much more general - sort of a theory of LEGO building/structure. I could see this being used to consider an assembly (...) (22 years ago, 31-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Paul Baulch
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| | | | | | | "Wayne R Hussey" <eskimo2@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:H03L6z.pK@lugnet.com... (...) [...] (...) I do - it seems like the perfect foundation for designing a computer program that designs MOCs. Not necessarily good ones, but I quite like (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Damien Guichard
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| | | | | | | | (...) That's a wonderful idea for a SF movie. Damien (22 years ago, 31-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Damien Guichard
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| | | | | | (...) Hi Wayne, You have catched two important points. First the calculus consider assemblies forehand to anticipate or solve building problems like ensuring cohesion (mostly "pair") and surrounding emptiness to generate volume (mostly "bridge"). (...) (22 years ago, 31-Jul-02, to lugnet.space)
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| | | | | Re: New space building standard and submission to www.classic-space.com —Jeffrey M. Szklennik
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| | | | (...) Huh, huh! Big words, little spacefigs! Huh, huh! Jeff (22 years ago, 1-Aug-02, to lugnet.space)
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