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Re: an idea, can someone tell me if this is possible/been done before/etc?
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Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:06:50 GMT
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Jim Choate <RAVAGE@EINSTEIN.nomorespamSSZ.COM>
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On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Kevin L. Clague wrote:

What if we assume that each output drives a motor,

Bad assumption but it would work, the RCX is too limited on I/O to be
doing that sort of stuff except in the case of simple rollers/walker.
Since legs have symmetry it's silly not to take advantage of it here,
you've got to use it to keep the thing in some sort of static/dynamic
balance. If you're going to use differential/planetary/co-axial/pullies/etc.
then -use- them [1].

Basic engineering efficiency. My approach is Occham's Razor and the
concept of 'elegence'. If there is -anything- that isn't demonstrably a
requirement for the goal(s) then it's 'outta here!'.

With regard to the discussion of walkers and leg blockage. Let's assume
for a moment that instead of using switches or something we decide to do
something mechanical. For example a triangular cam attached to the end of
the leg segment. It would allow the end of the leg, assuming sufficiently
low compliance [2], to move up over an object due to the rotational
translation of forces the cam would provide. It takes the horizontal
energy and transforms it into vertical energy.

You can also move the cam farther up the leg, say a gear with a pin
sticking out of it. It would normaly be positioned such that the pin was
at the bottom of the rotation at all times during normal operation.
However, when the leg stalled the extra torque would be sufficient to trip
some sort of 'switch' (eg a rubber band providing counter tension) once
the torque got over a specific amount. The rotation of the gear would move
the pin to the top, thus providing a tad extra leg clearance for the bot.
It would need a bang/bang stop at this point just to make sure nothing got
too torqued out of shape if the leg is still blocked.

[1] It reminds me of an article SciAm many years ago about using pullies
    and springs to do basic addition/subtraction/and/or/not. Pretty
    powerful, don't know if it's universal as in UTM.

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  Re: an idea, can someone tell me if this is possible/been done before/etc?
 
(...) I guess we're talking different things here. You were telling me to use all three motor/sensors. I claim I only need two for my Quad242. I have to see WWW to know what you are talking about I guess, or else you lost me. Static balance requires (...) (21 years ago, 2-Dec-03, to lugnet.robotics)
  Re: an idea, can someone tell me if this is possible/been done before/etc?
 
(...) Well I was restricting the discussion to modifying my Quad242. I think you are talking about something else. I think you were proposing using all three inputs and outputs to run the motors and control switches. I was proposing using less of (...) (21 years ago, 2-Dec-03, to lugnet.robotics)

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(...) What if we assume that each output drives a motor, through a differential which drives a pneumatic switch and a compressor. The compressor does not care which rotational direction it is driven, but the switch does. When we are mostly up to (...) (21 years ago, 2-Dec-03, to lugnet.robotics)

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