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| | | (...) No, sorry. You're wrong. Not possible to convince you that you are, but you are, nonetheless. The intent was to be the final check. A disarmed populace falls victim to tyranny much more easily, no matter what the source. Read the federalist (...) (26 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | (...) Oh, Larry. You're not going to fall back on that tired "personal responsibility for personal actions" argument again, are you? When will you understand that the *government* is responsible for all our actions, or the companies who sold us (...) (26 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Duane Hess
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| | | | | | (...) I was about to seriously flame you, but then I figured that you were being sarcastic. ...You were being sarcastic, weren't you? Duane (26 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | (...) Yes. I think the lack of feeling/being responsible for one's actions is a major problem in our society. A second problem is civil lawsuits following innocent verdicts in criminal trials. Steve (26 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Duane Hess
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| | | | | | | (...) Why are we in this NG then? I can't debate either statement :-) Duane (26 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —John Neal
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| | | | | | | (...) Amen to that, brother. And it is the Democratic Party that is fueling *that* fire by trying to have Government "take care" of everyone-- and deny personal freedoms in the process, and thus responsibility. (...) What, are you kidding!! I got (...) (26 years ago, 15-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Don't pin that on the D only. The R is right there behind them in "me too" mode. (26 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | (...) Well, except for maybe that one case that happens every now and then when the criminal trial verdict was clearly wrong. (26 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) What makes a criminal trial verdict clearly wrong? For instance with OJ: everyone I knew had an opinion, most of them thought he was guilty as hell and should fry, but a few were absolutely sure that he was innocent. So, he got off and (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —James Brown
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| | | | | | | (...) <snipped OJ stuff> (...) opinion? Well, the first thing that pops into mind as far as 'clearly wrong' goes is outdated laws. Laws do not cover all eventualities, and occaisonally, a situation occurs where a law has been broken, but blame does (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) Once. (...) Once. (same case both times) I was the foreman on a jury that got the "wrong" verdict. Wrong in that we let someone go who clearly was guilty. But "clearly" was not clear to us until after the fact, when we talked to the prosecutor (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | Two things. 1) You can *never* be 100% sure that anyone committed any crime with circumstantial evidence. 2) Were you a juror for the O.J. travesty, uh sorry, trial? -John <donning asbestos suit for wrath of Lar> (...) Repeat after me. I was (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Agreed. But it takes "beyond a reasonable doubt" not "certain", We had very reasonable doubts based on what we were presented. But I'm pretty sure this particular perp was guilty, or that the DA was lying to us about the circumstances. There (...) (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) ?? [1] (...) [1] didn't you mean to put the footnote *after* "H"? ;-) -John (...) (26 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) perform proper subexpression substitution (1) and you get IMNAAHO which after variable substitution(1) results in In My Not At All Humble Opinion. So no. it was in the right place. Anyone here think of me as humble? Didn't think so. (1) (...) (26 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Holy purple imacs, Macman, we've been slighted! (I think) Lar's quite obscure here...must go look up "innumerate" in this context. At least we mac users don't end our sentences with prepositions;-) -John (...) (26 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Real Computers are grey, or possibly black. Furthermore, that was a fragment, not a sentence. Stuff THAT up your 8 wide tunnel portal. (26 years ago, 19-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Which, a "real computer", or your fragment [1]? If you meant the computer, then I guess it is a *good* thing it's 8 wide;-) [1] Naughty sentence structure we mac users would never use on our pink computers;-) -John (...) (26 years ago, 19-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Larry! For shame! Indigo is a perfectly acceptable color for a computer. It runs Unix (Well.. kindasorta Unix, anyway), after all. Jasper (25 years ago, 30-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Or periods. Apparently, anyway. (26 years ago, 19-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) How's this Jurassic (...) (26 years ago, 19-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) In your case, Neanderthal springs to mind. But that's not a period, it's a subspecies. That fits. When I think of you, subhuman DOES seem to fill the bill. (26 years ago, 19-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) <stuff> (...) Has Mr Neal been doing naughty things in my absence? Jasper (25 years ago, 30-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) *I* have been good. But enough about me. Where have *you* been? It's been fun watching you whirling through the posts getting caught up and getting in your .02's worth;-) -John (...) (25 years ago, 31-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Glad you like it ;) I've been everywhere, sorta. alt.comics.user-friendly alt.fan.bert-hubert alt.folklore.urban alt.humor.best-of-usenet alt.lifestyle.barefoot alt.peeves alt.sex.ctulhu alt.sport.darts alt.sport.snooker alt.sysadmin.bofh (...) (25 years ago, 31-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) <Duck!> Another one, ProtoimacMan! Quick, do something! What's that? You want a banana?! Not me, I already eight;-) -John (...) (26 years ago, 19-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page) —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) BTW, The preposition rule doesn't really exist. It's up there with the one that says "never split infinitives," which doesn't really exist either. Bill Bryson wrote a rather entertaining exposition on it in _Mother Tongue_ that made a (...) (26 years ago, 21-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I just noticed today that one of the Teletubbies is an ObMelanin-challenged character. I thought they kept PC out of that show (considering Mr Falwell's recent gaffe), but alack, no such luck. Jasper (26 years ago, 27-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | | | (...) You're a lot more humble than "The Humblest Man On The Net". So, well... No further comment. Jasper (26 years ago, 27-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Terry Keller
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| | | | | | | (...) Sounds like a movie title, or a 'professional' wrestling bill; "Lugnet Gun Debate Wars III: The Wrath Of Lar" -- Terry K -- (26 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page) —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | On Fri, 21 May 1999 09:56:29 GMT, Mr L F Braun <braunli1@pilot.msu.edu> wrote: [interesting stuff snipped off] (...) ... I am a miwwionaire ... Steve (26 years ago, 21-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Richard Dee
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| | | | | | | On Mon, 17 May 1999 14:25:19 GMT, Christopher L. Weeks uttered the following profundities... (...) An argument I had often used here in relation to Louise Woodward. (The general populace in the UK were convinced of her innocence, but had not the (...) (25 years ago, 31-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Richard Dee
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| | | | | | | On Mon, 17 May 1999 23:40:30 GMT, Larry Pieniazek uttered the following profundities... (...) Why the death penalty was abolished in the UK. Shall we go down that road? Would the incorrect execution of one individual sway the overwhelmingly (...) (25 years ago, 31-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Been down it before. Most libertarians are opposed to Capital Punishment. Too irreversible. Now, granted, even if you're sentenced to life, you could still die before your time due to some random prisoner or guard, but at least the odds of (...) (25 years ago, 31-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) They don't have to make license plates. They could be making low-tech electronics, as currently typically hand-made in the East. Jasper (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Terry Keller
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Or they could be put to work staffing phones for airline reservations. Handling credit card transactions for unsuspecting travelers. Oh, wait. Been done. Stupid idea. :-/ -- Terry K -- (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I'd say prisoners should be put to hard physical labor. I've always pictured the most appropriate and just prison as one that in many ways resembles what I lived in during basic training in the Army. Very tight "living quarters" with no (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Richard Dee
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| | | | | | | | | | | On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 00:17:12 GMT, Jasper Janssen uttered the following profundities... (...) Even higher-tech! But those are jobs that potentially pay very well in the west. There are bound to be some regional-margin, profit potential products, where (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Richard Dee
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| | | | | | | | | | | On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:21:22 GMT, Mike Stanley uttered the following profundities... (...) Road building. People always need new roads. Roads always need repair. Cleaning of public monuments or buildings. With a toothbrush. Mining. With a hammer and (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Cleaning? Building! The Egyptians built the Pyramids with hand labor, I'm sure we could too. Or a row of sphinxes, each with the likeness of a president...one each. (...) Honestly, I think it's silly to waste their time...why not seek to use (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) While I do agree that prisoners should be put to work, the Bill of Rights also has a statement about cruel and unusual punishments. Also, overly mindless work is likely to result in more problems in prison. I say give them less desireable, yet (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | <MPG.11be590bb94e339...ugnet.com> <37553A69.6AA0B7DF@c...souri.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) I do not think that the Egyptians built the (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I have not been convinced of the existance of some ancient astronauts who would have helped out. I do not believe that they are a recent project. This only leaves the ancients. (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Richard Dee
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| | | | | | | | | | | On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:09:10 GMT, Christopher L. Weeks uttered the following profundities... (...) But it should be punishment, as well as rehabilitation, no? (25 years ago, 2-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) No. Well, sort of. This will fly in the face of what many people believe, but punishment - in and of itself - is silly. Punishment only makes sense if it will achieve some outcome...typically teaching a lesson. When children are punished, most (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | | | | <MPG.11be590bb94e339...ugnet.com> <37553A69.6AA0B7DF@c...souri.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Question: Would Grover Cleveland get two? :) LFB. (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | <375581D8.3E8859C3@uswest.net> <37568EBF.4515046D@c...souri.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) But of course! [1] Actually, Dr. Graham Hancock (URL) (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Terry Keller
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) By all means Troll away. :-) Might be fun. Though it will inevitably lead to someone mentioning that Von Daniken (sp?) guy. (oh wait, I just did) -- Terry K -- (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Richard Dee
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| | | | | | | | | | | On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:22:07 GMT, Christopher L. Weeks uttered the following profundities... (...) I am sure we agree somewhere in there, except for maybe the interpretation of punishment. The work would be productive, & repay the debt to society (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) In fact, I seem to remember that Michael Dukakis (former govener or Massachussetts and one time presidential canditate for non-americans and those with short memories) caught flak for being soft on crime for finally officially recognizing that (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page) —Richard Dee
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| | | | | | | On Fri, 21 May 1999 09:56:29 GMT, Mr L F Braun uttered the following profundities... (...) Teletubbies cannot possibly be a cause of violence, merely a reaction to it. I propose as a target for violent urges. Though students in the UK suggest they (...) (25 years ago, 31-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page) —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | Wow, Richard. Remember, any time spent watching that show cannot be gotten back;-) -John (...) (25 years ago, 31-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page) —Richard Dee
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| | | | | | | On Mon, 31 May 1999 23:04:38 GMT, John Neal uttered the following profundities... (...) I watched it at work. :o) Watch mindless drivel? Or watch the dribbling mindless? (1) (1) Sort-of supervisory position....work for an airline.(2) (2) May or may (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Richard Dee
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| | | | | | | On Mon, 31 May 1999 22:11:06 GMT, Larry Pieniazek uttered the following profundities... (...) We agree on something. Even though most that have been executed have no doubt received a correct conviction, the irreversibility of it.... Productivity (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Richard Dee
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| | | | | | On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:35:52 GMT, Frank Filz uttered the following profundities... (...) Probably not known about because it is too common an occurrence, in countries where capital punishment exists, or has existed. (If it happens twice, anywhere, (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | (...) Something I'd like to add is that I recently read some historical accounts of April 19, 1775 (British march on Concord, Paul Revere, shot heard round the world and all that). Almost all of the colonial casualties that day were civilians (...) (26 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page —Jasper Janssen
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