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Re: Gun debate (was Re: New Web Page
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Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:16:35 GMT
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On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:22:07 GMT, Christopher L. Weeks uttered the following
profundities...
> Richard Dee wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:09:10 GMT, Christopher L. Weeks uttered the following
> > profundities...
> > > > Gardening. Crimping the lawns of public parks, with just their
> > > > fingers. Not even a pair of scissors.
> > >
> > > Honestly, I think it's silly to waste their time...why not seek to use
> > > it productively?
> > >
> > >
> > But it should be punishment, as well as rehabilitation, no?
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> No. Well, sort of.
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> This will fly in the face of what many people believe, but punishment -
> in and of itself - is silly. Punishment only makes sense if it will
> achieve some outcome...typically teaching a lesson.
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> When children are punished, most of the time, it is because the parents
> were foolish. I punish my son because I'm not perfect, but I recognize
> that most of the things for which he 'gets in trouble' are extensions of
> my fault. Mostly I try to teach him lessons.
>
> In the case of criminal justice, if we could rehabilitate (which we
> can't) then that would be sufficient. If rehabilitation required
> punishment, then punishment would be worth it, otherwise, what's the
> point? It's just cruel and sick. If we accept that violent offenders
> are never going to rehabilitate and enter society as useful, and for
> whatever reason we don't want to put them down, then they need to be
> help as inexpensively as possible, but going out of our way to punish
> them is a waste and mentally injures the people involved in the punishment.
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>
I am sure we agree somewhere in there, except for maybe the
interpretation of punishment. The work would be productive, &
repay the debt to society owed by the criminal. The work would
be punishment, assuming it is not a desired activity by the
criminal.
It is certain we all agree on the basic principle, though, in
that prisons are expensive, and that there should be some way
for the prisons to recoup their costs.
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