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| | | Hey Y'all: I have some scenarios for you... I just bought a VHS tape on eBay of "Neo-Tokyo" (a compilation of 3 animated shorts). Now it looks as if the seller is MIA and me with no tape. Do I own it already, or not until I specifically take (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Possession —Tom Sciortino
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| | | | | "richard marchetti" <blueofnoon@aol.com> wrote in message news:HGrsA7.BA2@lugnet.com... (...) animated (...) own it (...) friend (...) seeing as (...) the (...) A fascinating case. Personally, I say you own it since you payed money for it, but I (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Possession —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | Tom: I found much of your post deeply interesting and thought provoking. Your idea of the giant archive/database is truly compelling and shows the enormous flaw in the many schemes that publishers are pursuing. Sure, the publishers are pursuing the (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Possession —Tom Sciortino
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| | | | | | | "richard marchetti" <blueofnoon@aol.com> wrote in message news:HGuL5F.1xox@lugnet.com... (...) defeat fair (...) there is (...) I say DRM is bad because I just can't imagine a form of DRM that doesn't expand outwards away from the purposes outlined (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Possession —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | (...) No argument there, it was just an example of wealth from someone whose supposed career is making music. Her real career is more truthfully hypnotizing youth culture with her boobs so that they buy into a fake Barbie & Ken music fantasy of (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Possession —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) Do IP rights have to be bought the way they are now? The reason this library idea is very cool is because it follows the law of today, yet gets more media to more people...right? Why not just set up this giant media database but charge (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Possession —Tom Sciortino
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| | | | | | | "Christopher Weeks" <clweeks@eclipse.net> wrote in message news:HGvwK1.wIv@lugnet.com... (...) library (...) media to (...) charge (...) licensed (...) case. (...) were (...) and into (...) not (...) could (...) user) (...) works (...) would (...) (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Possession —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | (...) Well, there's even more to it than that. Whether retail outlet or library, real world buildings as stores of information provide jobs for a whole plethora of other people: salesclerks, maintenance persons, cashiers, librarians, contractors, (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Possession —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | (...) I would like to see a revolution in the entire entertainment field based on something like this. Instead of paying an actor 20 mil to make a picture, pay the actor(s) based on the revenue that the motion picture makes (a la Nicolson in (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Possession —Scott Costello
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| | | | | | | | | (...) The problem with that is the "creative" accounting the studios use to show that movies don't actually make money. Spider-Man grossed over $400 million and yet the studio told Stan Lee that it barely broke even. (URL) Many things have to (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession) —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) Here is a great example of some profound fundamental differences between the Right and Left. Anytime you talk of "implementing" something, what you really mean is for the government to take it over and control it. That in my mind is not the (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession) —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | | (...) The free market only works between natural persons, once you allow fictitious persons (i.e. deathless corporations) into the marketplace you have killed freedom of trade and replaced it with the heavy gravity of monopolistic leviathans with (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession) —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Disagree. They compete with each other (Although I do recognize that there are some industries that need to be regulated for the common good). (...) You are being nostalgic. Mom and Pop were inefficient. Walmart brought more variety, more (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Do you have a cite for that? Quantity of patents is not necessarily a metric for quality of scientific innovation. I would say rather that a lot of important advancements and developments (things like the Palm) are made by people who leave (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession) —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) If you play Monopoly, and your buddy buys up all the properties (including the Railroads), what happens? You end up paying for everything. Now take that to the real world (and many people can see where this is going already--rocket scientists (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession) —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I am not nostalgic in the least -- I calls them as I sees them. Mom and Pop may have been inefficient, but so ultimately is ANY "bricks 'n' mortar" location except as a distribution center. For many things it is becoming increasingly clearer (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | The Hidden Costs (was Re: It's All About Control) —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Wal-Mart Wars (URL) WOULD YOU LIKE a Wal-Mart "supercenter" store to move into your community? Think of the low prices and the convenience of one-stop shopping! You just park once and get whatever you need -- groceries, drugs, plants, toys, (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Hidden Costs (was Re: It's All About Control) —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: <snip the rest which is great stuff> (...) Gee, if you're Canadian, at least medical comes with the citizenship--you *always* have 1 on the list(not that I'm singing the greatness of Canada--the (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Hidden Costs (was Re: It's All About Control) —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | | | Dude: You're killing my gorgeous FTX design scheme with your psycho plain text!!! -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 26-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The Hidden Costs (was Re: It's All About Control) —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) It was either getting all the formatting right so that my reply looked reasonably good, or just convert it to Plain... Lessee here... FTX away-- (2 URLs) Sparky's Space--Where Sparky has his Space... Oops, now it's almost on-topic! ;) (21 years ago, 26-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession) —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I don't think I mentioned the gov't takig over the entertainment industry--I was talking about people getting paid what they're worth, or what their product is worth. Paying Arnold 20 mil to star in a movie that makes 15 mil in total isn't the (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Good. Start a studio, then, and use that funding model. I think you're a sure fire bet to draw lots of big name stars, and more importantly, the smaller named crafts people who do most of the work, because they'll get a better shake. (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession) —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Well, it was just an idea along the lines of a 'universal library of stuff' that could be checked out that this thread was going on about. So the ideas about paying the recording artists directly from funds fm the checkouts from this library (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Not by me... I think they are both good ideas. I just don't know if it or they will fly in the current environment with the BigCorps having their strangleholds on things. We need systemic change to restore the Free Market back to what it once (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession) —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) Sorry I misread then--on this above point I'll completely agree. I saw Wendy Woo in a pub in Denver last Christmas and I bought a few of her CD's and they're extraordinary. Much talent (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession) —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Dude, that is 20/20 hindsight. What about paying Arnold 20 mil when the film grosses $200 mil? (...) Ahhh, at what point is that? Government intervention? Think it through. (...) I realize that, Dave, but how else can anything get (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession) —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) K, not the best example ever, but didn't the entertainment industry go on about 'v-chips' and warning labels on music? Of course they did it so that they wouldn't be 'regulated' into it by (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession) —Tom Sciortino
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| | | | | | | | "John" <John@TCLTC.org> wrote in message news:HGzuzJ.EE9@lugnet.com... (...) the (...) really (...) mind is (...) them. (...) unscrupulous (...) the (...) government. (...) That's another reason why I pushed for a completely free system. If there's (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Possession —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | (...) Yeah, elsewhere in this thread I mentioned the same thing. If one considers the elmination of the middlemen publishers/distributors then the creator reaps the ENTIRE reward of what is being offered by the Library. Let's say an artist creates a (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Possession —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | (...) Gonna answer Tom later in the day, but for now I wanted to point out the first DVD I have ever seen advertised for the film in question as seen here: (URL) And yes, I already bought one. Hopefully, it's not just another scam despite that fact (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Possession —David Laswell
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| | | | (...) The first important question is whether or not the VHS tape you bid for on eBay was a legal copy of that work. If it wasn't, it doesn't matter how much you paid for it, or even if you received it. You don't legally own a copy of that work. (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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