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(...) Frank, do you really think the people who are expressing stupid opinions such as : "USA is supported by God" or "SH is the Devil and we HAD to get rid of him, there was NO other solution!!!" will listen to any good argument? They are blind to (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Terry is 100% right. One thing though: the details of the anti-war side are hard to discuss because every point is at least a sub-argument. Nothing is a given because some things remain speculative because the only available knowledge is outside (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll grant that the average person on the street isn't applying critical thinking, and probably even many of us "smart" folks take the easy way out frequently, but someone has to keep their mind open. Personally, I don't think it actually (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would also add that even the people that make these laws and acts don't truly understand the meaning of them. When the founding fathers of the USA wrote the constitution, they understood far more than the present govt what "rights" mean. The (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But it doesn't make it better, because you could be wrong and all those sheeps would follow the wrong leader, just as it's the case with Bush and his followers. Your argument is biased by the fact you think (or give the impression that you (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're on the right track, but (if you'll forgive me) I think your assessment misses the real problem. Bush and Ashcroft and Cheney and the rest (and Clinton et al, to be fair) know EXACTLY what rights are, and that's why they're working so (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There are only two *effective* parties, unless one wants to count the indirect effect of altering the national debate (Greens and Libertarians). But yes, the Republicrats have put up barriers to organizing new parties. It's bad because it (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I agree with some parts of your argument, but I find much of your argument to be egotistic and bordering on offensive. Humanity is born into freedom, if you are a religious person it is a gift from God, if not it is a natural endowment. Governments (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We are perfectly free to kill each other, government took away that right (okay, hoarded it for itself, if you wanna be picky). We are perfectly free to take that other person's stuff, and government took away that right (same caveat). In a (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I may be missing something, but the way I'm reading it, you're saying that we might as well not critically think about things because sometimes the masses will choose the wrong action, thus, since it's a total crap shoot as to whether a good (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Great job Bruce, you were able to nail down two of my biggest problems with the Republican party, the reason I am an independant instead. You also summed them up very nicely. I agree the government should not reserve the right to kill it's (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, I'm not exactly sure what angle you're coming from, but I'm just hoping you're not acting on the implication that 'most people'- I'm assuming you mean american - spend their time watching TV or preoccupation with a job. I can't (...) (22 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't see any of those people here. However I DO see people here who think the US can do no *right*. (22 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Where did I say I'm talking ONLY about USA when I say 95% of all people are dumb? I meant the whole planet! My Country, Québec, included! I'm not Anti-American. I'm anti-republican, yes, but that's got nothing to do with it. Now, you mentioned (...) (22 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not what I meant at all. All I meant was that having these discussions will have very little impact since people are dumb and will often follow the best leader (which I didn't mention). Now, the smart people are not necessarily going to change (...) (22 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm sorry you feel insulted for so little, especially since you said yourself you "assumed" I was talking about Americans, while I was talking about anyone in N. America or Europe. Now, I didn't include you in the 95%, so I don't see why you (...) (22 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You don't? Have you read this forum lately? Really, I mean, John something is absolutely positive about this kind of stuff and many support him. I really shouldn't even answer to this low-blow, because it's absolutely intrue, but I do not (...) (22 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If it's truly futile to have these discussions, then aren't we being dumb by having them? That's what I'm reading from your position, that these discussions are futile because not enough of us are involved. Frank (22 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Terry Prosper writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Hey Terry, I don't want to make this sound like QB bashing, but "My Country, Quebec'? Terry, what gives? It's like saying, "My Country, Ontario" or "My Country, Hamilton". (...) (22 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because Québec never signed canada's constitution. Because we don't speak the same language. Because Québécois and canadians have nothing in common. I'm not Canadian, even if my passport says so. And pretty soon, less than 20 years from now, (...) (22 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This kinda relates to what Dave and I were discussing a while ago. He was saying that unlike those awful Americans that resorted to violence, Canada achieved its indpendence without firing a shot and had rebuffed joining the Ameican revolution (...) (22 years ago, 11-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) All the more reason that you should take the French off your website! 8^) (...) Just pray that you don't strike oil within your Quebecois borders... Anyway, it'll be cool for the US to pick up a few maritime provinces. We'll have to redesign (...) (22 years ago, 12-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Didn't sign the constitution? That's your beef? Come up with something relevant to todays generation--that was in 1982 and it was bringing back the constitution from Britain. The constitution was signed by all far before either you and I were (...) (22 years ago, 14-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) not that I dislike folks affiliated with the 'Separatist' movement, it's just that I don't know what "they" want. It is my sincere belief that we're all Canadian, and that regional differences are wonderful, but that these differences (...) (22 years ago, 15-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I don't have any particular opinion or specific knowledge of the whole Canada v Quebec thing, but I will say this -- small can be very, very good. Small means independent and self-ruling. Small means freedom and responsibility. Here in the U.S. I (...) (22 years ago, 15-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Ouch! "Quebec separatists defeated" (URL) much for my opinions... -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 15-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But then again, things just get repeated... (3 posts previous... ;) ) Dave K (22 years ago, 15-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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