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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Pedro Silva writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > I opposed getting into this war but now that we're in it I want to win.
> > Unlike some here, I suspect, who would delight in an American defeat.
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> An American defeat is not an option (1); but the victory may be Pyrrhic if
> this thing goes on through the Summer and/or with an ever increasing rate of
> casualties - in many ways, that could be even worse than a defeat. :-/
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> Pedro
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> (1) - Really, it isn't. If we admit the (absurd) hypothesis that Iraq may
> win, we'll easily predict the world economy sinks even deeper in the current
> crisis, which is global and not US-only. So even the most fierce opponents
> of this war are aware that once started, it has_to_be won by the coalition -
> the alternative suits noone.
> Realpolitik at its best... it took me a while to understand *why* there was
> such a war-hunger in DC for six months, but now it is clear as water it was
> an ingenious move. Disgusting, but ingenious nevertheless.
Larry and Pedro,
You both touch a chord,
I desperately want this war to be done with. I married, and am raising
children in a Quaker home, and I am comfortable with pacifism. Richard Nixon
was a Quaker. I am a pragmatist. I want a quick ending to an internationally
disruptive war and am a proud son of a decorated WWII pilot who never quite
recovered from his experiences.
It takes a strong leader to avoid unprovoked war and a weak one to lead a
country into unprovoked war. I am only one individual in a free speaking
society. Iraq is a country ruled by a ruthless tyrant who should be deposed.
There are other countries in this mold. My country is lead by a well-meaning
Christian who is unable to communicate his vision to the rest of the world.
We fight them. They are us. We are humanity. I weep for collateral damage. I
hope our president has made the right decision. I hope the world forgives us
for trying to better the world without effectively communicating to the rest
of the world our motive.
I take no stance in this conflict. I am powerless to make a difference.
Instead, I stand with the collateral damage that is the true wound of war.
I am a pragmatic pacifist. We are a strength, not a weakness. Choosing to
fight is the weak way out of any conflict unless there is no other choice.
Then we hope for a quick resolve. I hope for the people of Iraq,
Afghanistan, Burma, North Korea, etc. that there is a quick way out. I hope
our leaders vision is the right one. I will not fight or try to slow a quick
resolve to this conflict. I see no reason. I will protest a poorly thought
out strategy. In war, only hindsight is well thought out strategy.
Therefore, I wait and pray to God, Buddha, Jesus, Allah, and other religious
and non-religious entities. Only the future will tell.
Legot!
Bert Waters
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| (...) An American defeat is not an option (1); but the victory may be Pyrrhic if this thing goes on through the Summer and/or with an ever increasing rate of casualties - in many ways, that could be even worse than a defeat. :-/ Pedro (1) - Really, (...) (22 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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