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Re: My Concession (for John mostly)
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Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:16:10 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > I opposed getting into this war but now that we're in it I want to win.
> > Unlike some here, I suspect, who would delight in an American defeat.
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> That's just being a pro-war accomplice after the fact.
I'm not sure that's true. I think it's more of wanting to take the best
next step from wherever you find yourself. Before the violence commenced,
Larry thought the best step was not to start the violence. Now, given that
we're going to be doing violence of some kind for a while, he thinks we should
do it in a certain way.
Whether or not you agree.
> Sorry, no previous moral opposition gives anyone moral safety to
> now just go ahead and support this great evil.
It is arguable that your suggested strategic withdrawl would cause more harm
than good. I still hold out hope that we can turn this unwise action to good.
While we may not be primarily interested in freeing the Iraqi people, to do so
in a carefully measured way could be a great good for the region. If Iraq
turned into the democratic ideal and the shining star of the region, the loss
of life and goods may end up having been worth it.
> I think long-term the Pax Americana is an untenable position anyway.
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> Look at Britain today. I think the sun sets on the British empire every
> single day now.
Well, it is an unworthy goal regardless. But at the same time, just because no
one has crafted an empire that would endure the ages doesn't mean that it won't
ever happen. How many even semi-global empires have been tried?
Chris
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| (...) Can you cite even one example of where this has happened before? Where else have we bombed people into accepting democracy? True, the absence of precedence doesn't make the occurrence of such a democracy impossible, but I would suggest the (...) (21 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Agreed (...) <snip> (...) I'd like to discuss where Saddam would be if the 'willing' stopped their war now. He's been saying "God is on our side!" and if the willing stop, SH will be, well, I don't know where he'll be, but I feel that it won't (...) (21 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) That's just being a pro-war accomplice after the fact. Sorry, no previous moral opposition gives anyone moral safety to now just go ahead and support this great evil. No one would delight in american defeat -- that's madness. I presume defeat (...) (21 years ago, 31-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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