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Re: My Concession (for John mostly)
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Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:43:49 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > This doesn't sound to me like a country whose intentions "were that the war
> > > > was going to continue to the absolute bitter end" and Truman had full
> > > > knowledge of it.
> > >
> > > Quite the contrary - see your quoted summary at the bottom. Japan had
> > > rejected the conditions of surrender (to whit, none) and the U.S. was under
> > > no obligation to pause in the war.
> >
> > You asserted that "[japan's intentions] were that the war was going to
> > continue to the absolute bitter end". What has that to do with US obligation
> > to pause?
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> They didn't accept the call for unconditional surrender, war was continuing.
> I'm not sure why you aren't getting it, and I'm kinda tired of having to
> repeat it.
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> > > Using Russia as a go-between was a poor
> > > choice by Japan - Russia stabbed 'em in the back. You cite endless contacts
> > > with the Russians, but the specifics of what was actually passed on to the
> > > U.S. are not given
> >
> > No, but I think "Stalin had told P.M. [Prime Minister Churchill] of telegram
> > from Jap [sic] Emperor asking for peace" says that the Japanese had thought
> > about peace, and even proposed it to the Russians, and Truman knew that.
> > Again, I think that contradicts your original assertion(s).
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> Go back to what Dave wrote: "recent evidence suggests that the Emperor was
> about to surrender". Not that I have seen evidence of, and certainly not
> that the Truman had any evidence of. Wanting to negotiate terms when they
> had already been told that there weren't going to be any terms and "about to
> surrender" are not the same thing. You keep reading something else into
> that exchange and proceeding from that mis-assumption.
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> -->Bruce<--
Yes, now that I was reminded that this debate was discussed earlier, and
that there will probably be no 'official' consensus as to what Truman knew,
we can only go by official accounts--Truman didn't know exactly what the
emporer said or wanted, and to Truman, the war was still legit, and to end
it sooner, drop the bomb--as an aside, it showed the world the capabilities,
but I believe that Truman did it primarily to end the war sooner--not to
'show off'.
So back to SH et al...
Dave K
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