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Re: Why start with Iraq? - (Re: Iraq, Dictators, and Peace)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:30:44 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
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> > > > Why fund human rights abuses in Israel?
> > >
> > > Perception.
> >
> > Fact.
>
> Of course the perception is fact. "Perception" as in there is the perception
> that Israel is the victim. You misconstrued my answer.
Israel is a victim. It is victim of its own history. However, none of that
excuses its actions or what it suffers. It is a human rights abuser pure and
simple. The USA actively supports it.
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> > > > Why back “democracy” in Kuwait?
> > >
> > > Now you are just being contradictory. Make up your mind whether you are
> > > going to criticize the United States for for opposing democracy or
> > > supporting it.
> >
> >
> > Does Kuwait really have democracy?
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> Who cares? I was merely pointing out that you were being inconsistent.
I'm not; democracy does not exist in Kuwait. During Desert Storm this was
pointed out. We were told it would exist after the war. It still does not.
So, where is my inconsistently?
> Or
> you weren't making your real point very well. :-)
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> >
> > >
> > > > Why make a
> > > > sponsor of international terror a key ally in the “war on terror”(TM)?
> > >
> > > Terrorists that don't oppose us are not terrorists, to us. It's continuing
> > > the policy of Bush, Sr. to work with the devil you know (such as he did
> > > with, oh dear, Sadddam).
> >
> > This is utter hypocrisy.
>
> Didn't I just say that?
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> >
> > >
> > > > Why
> > > > back & fund the warlords in Afghanistan?
> > >
> > > Because the alternative was worse?
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> > Worse for Afghans or the USA?
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> Are you advocating a Chamberlainesque approach and do nothing after
> thousands died and letting thousands more?
No. The situation in Afghanistan existed before 911. Now we have replaced
one set of thugs with another set. In the process we have done some
recruiting for OBL. Do you feel safer?
> And I take it you weren't a
> woman living in Afghanistan under the Taliban....
Indeed not. Women there are treated little better today.
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> >
> > >
> > > > Why start with Iraq?
> > >
> > > Are you insinuating that there is a better target?
> >
> > There may well be. Why not tighten the screws on Musharraf, the Saudi’s or
> > Sharron? These guys rely on support from the USA - particularly Sharron.
> > Human rights in the Middle-East would improve overnight if the USA stopped
> > equipping the IDF. A positive outcome would be reached without directly
> > risking US servicemen. Personally, I find that “easier” than killing 1000's
> > of Iraqi civilians to get one man... just to replace him with a pro-West
> > stooge. Remember, 1000’s were killed in Afghanistan to get two men – and
> > neither was found.
>
> Ohhhhhhhh, I see, Iraq has done nothing!
Did I say that?{1} You asked if there was a better target - I showed you a few.
Scott A
{1} The people of Iraq have "done nothing"... just like the people of
Afghanistan had "done nothing".
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