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Re: Libertarian comes through for the Terrorists
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:03:17 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
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> I say Bravo for Ron Paul and shame on the rest of them for this particular
> outcome. You should dig into what these bills actually do before you start
> complaining about voices urging caution or pointing out flaws. I have and
> I'm scared.
Hmmm...
I believe Bush said something to the effect of "you will be our ally and
help us root out terrorism or you side with terrorism and are the enemy"
Not a direct quote, this is the crux of it.
Paul has voted against a bill designed to help root out terrorism.
Irregardless of his reasons for doing so, the impression he leaves by voting
against the bill is that he does not side with those who would root out
terrorism and therefore sides with the terrorists. Simple logic.
Overstated, maybe. Is his voting against the bill going to win any converts
to libertarianism. I don't think so.
Does this bill invade privacy issues - definitely. Should it - if we're
going to root out all money channels, transfer agents, limited partnerships,
participating in moving terrorist money, it has to. Should we have to
sacrifice some of our personal liberties and privacy to win this campaign.
Yes, we are going to have to.
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| (...) And introduced several *other* bills designed to help root it out as well. From this vantage, those other bills, what I know of them (which is little), may well be MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE measures. I freely admit I cannot quote chapter and verse (...) (23 years ago, 12-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: Libertarian comes through for the Terrorists
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| (...) I strongly disagree. It is precisely this kind of knee-jerk, poorly thought out logic that leads us down the path of the destruction of our beloved republic. Protecting our civil rights, enumerated and unemurated in the U.S. Constitution and (...) (23 years ago, 12-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: Libertarian comes through for the Terrorists
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| (...) Yeah, the simple logic of a simple cowboy president. Do you always believe what your president says? (...) I don't know how exactly you define privacy. According to my definition, privacy is something individuals should be able to enjoy. So, (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Libertarian comes through for the Terrorists
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| (...) flows" doesn't mean it's a GOOD bill, or even that cutting money flows is what is going to be done. We have seen a LOT of 97-0 and 426-1 kind of votes lately, after rather little or no debate. Personally, John Ashcroft scares the jeepers out (...) (23 years ago, 12-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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