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Re: Libertarian comes through for the Terrorists
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Mon, 15 Oct 2001 07:56:44 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
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> > > This text questions the premis that it was an attack on freedom and liberty:
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> > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4266289,00.html
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> > > It is a long text, but well worth the read.
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> > You know what, Scott? You are absolutely right. That text IS worth the read
> > and anyone who is wondering if the Guardian harbors fools or fellow
> > travelers or not ought to go read it and carefully think about the bile that
> > this author spews.
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> Wow. That's something. He's even dead wrong on details;
> at least two of the hijackers *did* leave suicide notes, in
> the form of wills.
He is a she. The text was published the day after the notes were found. I
expect it was written before (it was in the Saturday supplement - not the
main paper). The response of Guardian readers to the text is here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,560945,00.html
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> Argue all you like about the justness of the US response and
> whether that's consistent with our message, but I can't deny
> that the initial attack was an attack against our way of life.
I have said this. It was not an attack on freedom & liberty - only freedom
& liberty in the USA. The two are not the same.
> Not against what it *is* so much as what it's perceived to be.
> I'm still not too hot on Dubya--he still makes me cringe with
> some of his words--but he was right about one thing: these
> people don't know the whole story. Just as much as we need
> to be enlightened about the world and others' views, they need
> to understand *us* too.
I have been saying that for a long time. Only education can win this war. I
think I was told that was "tripe".
Scott A
> Islamic scholarship was historically about
> learning and tolerance and understanding the world--but, as has
> been repeatedly and categorically stated by commentators from
> all over the world, it's being hijacked by extremists.
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> Just as the Civil War wasn't all about slavery at the start,
> that's what it became about. Just as this wasn't all about
> a safe and just world before last 11th, that's what it's about
> now--what it should have been about all along.
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> best
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> LFB
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| (...) She has written a Second piece for the Guardian. Again the text is strongly worded, but well written. Before anyone reads it, what do these nations have in common: China (1945-46, 1950-53), Korea (1950-53), Guatemala (1954, 1967-69), Indonesia (...) (23 years ago, 24-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Wow. That's something. He's even dead wrong on details; at least two of the hijackers *did* leave suicide notes, in the form of wills. Argue all you like about the justness of the US response and whether that's consistent with our message, but (...) (23 years ago, 12-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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