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  Summarized Transcript of Grover Norquist's 8/29 TV Appearance
 
MODERATOR: Thank you. Government is evil. Except Republicans. GROVER NORQUIST: Let me begin by saying that government is evil, except Republicans.. Despite all evidence to the contrary, government has never done anything that’s not evil, except (...) (19 years ago, 30-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)  
 
  Re: LEGO Factory Terms Of Service
 
(...) As Lenny explained, there is a (URL) in Islamic art> of not portraying the human figure. I'm not sure what you found unfortunately worded about my post. I am asking a valid question: is the LEGO Factory TOS' prohibition on the depiction of (...) (19 years ago, 28-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Life size guns and assault rifles on Brickshellf-- opinions?
 
Well, with a pair of nunchuks the worst case scenario is likely a bloody nose (perhaps not the wielder's) or a VERY painful groin (more likely the wielder's!). :-D I do not now, nor would I ever advocate censoring anybody's MOC's, but I would (...) (19 years ago, 27-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: LEGO Factory Terms Of Service
 
(...) Thanks for the overview Lenny. I do find the wording of the original post quite unfortunate (to put it lightly) but I can see that it is, at least, based on a somewhat valid assumption. On a related topic, I do find it interesting that most of (...) (19 years ago, 26-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: LEGO Factory Terms Of Service
 
(...) Islamic views on "idols" are quite a bit more .. umm.. severe? than Christian views. Basically, Islam wants to avoid any appearance of idol worship what-so-ever, so images of people are usually avoided. Photographs of friends and family are (...) (19 years ago, 26-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)  
 
  Re: LEGO Factory Terms Of Service
 
(...) What exactly do you mean by 'some sort of Islamic thing?'? Are you referring to the way that one should not make images of the Prophet? If so then it is probably some sort of Christian thing too as the Bible is pretty firm about idols. Tim (19 years ago, 26-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Life size guns and assault rifles on Brickshellf-- opinions?
 
(...) That's very interesting. I wonder then, what are your thoughts on a MOC such as this (URL) being posted here? ROSCO (19 years ago, 26-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)  
 
  Re: When to speak one's mind?
 
(...) Actually, there wasn't much discussion of censorship in the LUGNET thread. You may be thinking of the one on JLUG[1], but i thought we'd agreed that what goes on in JLUG should stay in JLUG. Cheers, Allister [1]which didn't transpire quite as (...) (19 years ago, 25-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)  
 
  Re: When to speak one's mind?
 
(...) Really? Looked to me like little more than 'not funny, this shouldn't even be on lugnet', which is a fair enough comment I suppose, but to characterise it as 'honest and accurate' is stretching credibility a bit. 'Off the cuff' might be a (...) (19 years ago, 25-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)  
 
  Re: When to speak one's mind?
 
(...) I believe Dave Schuler correctly identifies the root cause of the nazi mess here: (URL) response to your questions, You should speak your mind whenever you want. It's amusing to me that those who called you out for censorship wanted to censor (...) (19 years ago, 24-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)  
 
  Re: When to speak one's mind?
 
(...) Refering to this post: (URL) I think you should have taken out the parenthetical part, and the footnote. (...) Yes. Leave the conversation. If you start out talking about LEGO, and after a reply or 2, it has nothing to do with LEGO, leave! (...) (19 years ago, 24-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)  
 
  Re: Life size guns and assault rifles on Brickshelf-- opinions?
 
(...) Does that not cause you neck problems or is it an ergonomic halftrack with memory foam? Jude (19 years ago, 24-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Life size guns and assault rifles on Brickshellf-- opinions?
 
Hey James, Thanks for getting my point and the little accompanying nudge (which was all in fun)! With all the virtual fur flying around here lately, I was really nervous about posting. The last thing I want is to mistakenly start a wildfire, (...) (19 years ago, 24-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Life size guns and assault rifles on Brickshellf-- opinions?
 
(...) Don't go away. Go there as well. Ondrew either will respond, or he won't. I don't care which. Do I look offended? <:^D Cheers, Allister (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: overreaction was Re: More random flaming
 
(...) Hi Lenny, I emailed Suz soon after you cancelled your posts to ask for mine to be cancelled too but they are still here (I probably stuffed something up, it's my first cancelling) so if you (or anyone else) can cancel post 27201 and 27206 for (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: overreaction was Re: More random flaming
 
(...) Hi Lenny, I've asked to have mine removed too for the same reasons. No hard feelings! Tim (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: overreaction was Re: More random flaming
 
(...) Actually, I saw my post as random flaming. But I feel that my recent posts have been over the line, despite whatever good intentions I may have had, so I had them cancelled. Please take that as a sign of my regret for what I've said. -Lenny (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: When to speak one's mind?
 
(...) Few things--summer's been insanely busy, but beyond that--nothing to say (surprises me as well...) Swastika ship? Baah. I've seen personal pleasure devices built with LEGO. And the history of the swastika goes far beyond the third reich. If (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: I did not call Lenny a racist was Re: When to speak one's mind?
 
(...) Although I disagree with the similarity to the "I hear you beat your wife..." argument (what I said was definitely not a leading question) if you see that it can be construed as me saying that Lenny was a racist then I will take the criticism. (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: I did not call Lenny a racist was Re: When to speak one's mind?
 
(...) Not to get into it, but if someone states, "I hear you're a racist", that someone did not explicitly say "You are a racist" and can state "I didn't say you were a racist, I just said 'I *heard* you were a racist" Just like if someone stated (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: When to speak one's mind?
 
(...) I just wanted to see if I could get you to post outside of your org.ca.rtltoronto ivory tower, you nutty liberal Canadian West Wing fan. I haven't seen you outside of that group for weeks; if you're not careful, you're going to go native. (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: When to speak one's mind?
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: <snip> (...) Nutty SOCIALIST Canadian West Wing Fan (with libertarian tendencies where personal choices--vis a vis affecting no one else--are concerned) Get it right! <snip> (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  I did not call Lenny a racist was Re: When to speak one's mind?
 
(...) Dear all, I would like to add to the record that I did not, and nor would I, call Lenny a racist. I don't believe that Lenny is a racist. If he is referring to someone else calling him a racist then you can ignore this. Tim (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: When to speak one's mind?
 
(...) Well, you're a curator, so when your posts are viewed with that in mind. Granted, curatorship doesn't impart any magical powers, but it makes you seem more "official" than those of us who aren't curators, for what that's worth. I wouldn't (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX) ! 
 
  (canceled)
 
 
  Re: overreaction was Re: More random flaming
 
Lenny, I assume that by changing the title you see my post as random flaming. It is not at all random and nor is it flaming. You have irritated me with your holier-than-thou attitude and I have merely pointed out some of your character flaws. (...) (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Life size guns and assault rifles on Brickshelf-- opinions?
 
(...) Non-adults participate in JLUG and are perfectly welcome to do so. And just to be clear, immature people are also welcome. Just because we say "..intended for a mature audience" does not mean others are not welcome to participate, if they find (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  When to speak one's mind?
 
Just an open question to Lugnet. In the recent thread about Richie Dulin's Nazi Spiffcraft, I felt the need to speak my mind about the subject matter Richie posted. I made, what I felt, was an honest and accurate critique. That critique prompted a (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  (canceled)
 
 
  Re: Life size guns and assault rifles on Brickshellf-- opinions?
 
(...) I sleep with a loaded halftrack under my pillow. Dave! (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Life size guns and assault rifles on Brickshelf-- opinions?
 
(...) I doubt you've made Richie cry but you've certainly made me irked. Stop acting as though you are somehow superior. You've been picking fights just as much as he has. (...) If you are one of these people, you have a valid right to make a (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Life size guns and assault rifles on Brickshelf-- opinions?
 
(...) What does "mature" equate to? Typically the adjectives 'mature' and 'adult' mean the same thing (Mature Language/Adult Language, etc). Or are you suggesting that non-adults can participate in JLUG? Funny thing that you would specifically (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  (canceled)
 
 
  Re: Life size guns and assault rifles on Brickshellf-- opinions?
 
I understand your point Dave. I think that its up to the parents to make sure that Brickshelf isn't the first place their kids learn about guns especially if there are guns in the child’s home. At have a .357 Magnum in my closet (locked in a gun (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Life size guns and assault rifles on Brickshellf-- opinions?
 
(...) I think Allister was posting a satirical critique of Lenny's post(s) suggesting that JLug was the place to discuss stuff that he didn't think belonged on Lugnet. As I suspect you have just discovered, sometimes satire on the internet can be (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Life size guns and assault rifles on Brickshellf-- opinions?
 
Allister, It’s not really conducive to debate when one person raises issues and asks questions, but the other responds by suggesting three times in the same message that he go away. I’ll probably stick around to see if Ondrew ever meant his post as (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
 
  Re: Life size guns and assault rifles on Brickshellf-- opinions?
 
(...) I agree, Joe. The effect would/will probably be minimal, if at all. Having seen how kids react to the replica I made, I would definitely not encourage them to be exposed to it given the reactions I've seen. I don't think most children have (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Life size guns and assault rifles on Brickshellf-- opinions?
 
Hey James, I believe OnDrew's concern, as stated in his post, was specifically with full-scale and very accurate replicas of real pistols and/or assault rifles, not historical vehicles. I'd be willing to be that the odds of a child finding a German (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  One important addendum . . .
 
I thought I should say that I don't advocate censoring anyone's MOC submissions. However, I think we may need to consider that a significant number of contributors to Brickshelf are adults who create works that some would say should only be viewed (...) (19 years ago, 22-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Life size guns and assault rifles on Brickshelf-- opinions?
 
(...) I would just like to point out to all that seem to have formed an incorrect opinion about what JLUG is: JLUG is NOT an adult forum. From the user agreement, JLUG "..is for discussing any facet of creating with bricks but is intended for a (...) (19 years ago, 23-Aug-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)


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