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(...) That doesn't give you the right to marry. It gives the states the right to either give or deny you the right to marry. Or to abstain from the matter altogether and let the local county and city governments deal with it. (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I suggest "1". (...) While I enjoyed TNG and I loved DS9, B5 just seemed less foofy from the start. Instead of shields they have a "defense grid". It consists of BFGs. One of them in particular looks like its barrel is at least large enough (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Really? That's kinda funny, given the external circumstances. Stargate recently started franchising, there are rumors that another B5 spinoff is in the works, and after the whole debate of whether ST or B5 was superior or which show stole (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So you agree that Dick Cheney doesn't deserve our respect? - Chris. (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As I have said before, this is what happens when you have freedom without responsibility. Flag burning is a particularily unpatriotic and pointedly antagonistic expression of dissatisfaction that is frankly irresponsible. You can't tell (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I didn't mind the lack of those functions, as the holodeck stories often tended to be a bit too farfetched (just how many times can Starfleet-owned holodecks run rampant and threaten to kill members of their respective crews before they figure (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) After 9/11, everyone and their dog had flags on their cars, clothes, stickers, houses, etc. It didn't take very long for them to get really ratty. It's funny (to me personally, if no one else) that I find myself uncomfortable with the ratty (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No problem! Amendment IX - Construction of Constitution. Ratified 12/15/1791. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Amendment X - Powers of the States (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You better hurry and make up your mind about ST:E since this is undoubtedly the last season - the only reason they are limping through it is to get to the magical 100 episodes for marketing the re-runs. -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This is the sound of complete agreement. And as an example, I think US military should be in Sudan, though it's a little late. Chris (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Group marriages are pretty efficient at it too. More so, by every measure I can think of. The only stumbling blocks they suffer are legal challenges. Maybe if the nation were under threat of not reproducing enough, it would be in the interest (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh, yeah, I don't think we should annex them. But if we're going to hang out we need to stop hemorrhaging. The way to do that is to break their will to resist. (...) Sure, that would be a wild, stunning and amazing victory. Fat chance. (...) I (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Look John, just because you're a sycophantic bushie fan-boy who'll believe any lie they tell us against all reason and evidence, don't expect the rest of us to fall for their big lies. It is frankly amazing that you expect the rest of us to (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes. As has been repeatedly been pointed out, by myself and others, going back to the *very beginning* of this newsgroup, we're a major causative factor, if not the primary reason, for Iraq's recent troubles. Some blame lays at the feet of the (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, that is kind of the defining belief of "conservative," right? (...) But I think John believes that if the Bible says something, it is right. That's the measure of rightness. So he doesn't need to look farther. Chris (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not sure this is how it should be in the US with our legal precident. If sexual preference is a fully protected non-discrimination item, then private churches won't be able to refuse to marry them. Maybe this is what folks like John are (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The funniest part is that burning is the proper way to dispose of a flag when it is worn out and no longer "respectable." (...) Hear. Hear. The only threat to our way of life comes from D.C. -Mike Petrucelli (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Meanwhile, (URL) yet another attempt to establish a national relgious symbol. If the no-burning amendment ever passes, I'm heading to DC to wipe by backside with the flag in public view, or else I'll shred the flag to confetti and scatter it over a (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not certain that I follow the analogy, but maybe. So what if they think that? If I do what I believe is "right" each and every time I have to make a decision, they will learn what I have the stomach for. (...) I don't care what terrorists (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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snip the redundant redundancy (...) Incorrect, as some churches now support gay marraige, denying them the right to legally marry homosexuals is a violation of their religious freedom. "We have no right to prejudice another in his civil enjoyments (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If the claim is made that our state charter is founded on ideals dating to the birth of humanity, then evidence must be given to support that claim, or else it is a doctrine of religious faith (and an attempt to unite the state and religion). (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Three factors have always prevented me from enjoying the series. First, I can't stand most of the cast (Flounder and Tron and the woman from (URL) The Hidden,> et all). Second, I really really really don't like the CGI graphics, which to me (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmmm. It might have to take a number. I just got season 3 of ST:V, and I have yet to buy any TNGs or DS9s:-p (...) We are a bitterly divided country ideologically speaking. This upcoming election will be a harbinger of our next decade. I (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Nuts again. While I acknowledge ST:TOS as the mother of them all, and I watched it a little as a kid, it is too cheesy for my taste now. Ever since the third season of ST:TNG, however, they have all been gold. BUT, the jury is still out on (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "A Private Little War" from ST:TOS where the Klingons were arming one side, and Kirk had to arm the otehr side to keep the fight 'even'. Kinda like the Vorlons and Shadows... <snip> (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's never too late to get started. The entire series is out on DVD, along with the two more pivotal MfTV movies. All you'd really need to do is buy or rent the first three seasons, or even just the third season (since that's where this whole (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) They ascribe to the UUA core beliefs, such as they are, so they ascribe to some form of religious belief. Religion is defined as: 2a) any specific system of belief and worship, often involving a code of ethics and a philosophy. 2b) any system (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Last time I checked Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. They're not allowed to pass laws to prevent religious zealots from flavoring the law with their religious (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If they're only referring to the bible on the subject of determining punishment, as long as the punishment fits within the legal min/max limits, there are generally no strict legal guidelines for how they are to go about determining what (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Nuts! I am a huge fan of ST:TNG, ST:DN9, and ST:V, but I never got into B5. I guess I'll never know what you are talking about;-) (...) You are correct; I, however, would content that the vast majority of Iraqis want a free government and that (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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"Purple Dave" <purpledave@maskofdestiny.com> wrote in message news:I169rn.vn7@lugnet.com... (...) atheist (...) are (...) is, a (...) God} (...) simply (...) beliefs, no (...) uses the (...) all (...) There are UUs who have no religious beliefs (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) With its historical roots in the Jewish and Christian traditions, Unitarian Universalism is a liberal religion -- that is, a religion that keeps an open mind to the religious questions people have struggled with in all times and places.> (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ah, but in both cases, the U.S.S.R. was providing direct assistance on the other side of the fence. When one of the two world super-powers is supporting the opposing side of the conflict, there is no shame in asking the other one to help you (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) First of all, just because it might or might not predate Judeism (technically, by virtue of the fact that Adam is cited as talking to the same God that Abraham talked to, the informal roots of Judeism can be claimed to extend back to the dawn (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually, I don't believe I've stated my opinion on whether gays should be allowed to marry, just on who should be able to say whether they can or can't (not the church, and not the federal government, because the US Constitution relegates (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Would that be the "Law of $" theory? (...) I discovered a while back that they provide internet service outside of the US (specifically the UK, IIRC), so I no longer really consider the fact that non-Americans might not be familiar with them, (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As far as the state is concerned, the church doesn't, but the church does require itself to abide by the laws of the land. If the US government says gays can get married, it doesn't mean that the church would have to perform or even recognize (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) Found it>, or a case much like the one I was thinking of. Dave! (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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"Purple Dave" <purpledave@maskofdestiny.com> wrote in message news:I15x8G.s77@lugnet.com... (...) to (...) member of (...) Atheism, (...) While there may not be a "Church of Atheism", I guarantee there are atheist clergy who can and do perform (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I see your point and I agree. What is interesting, though, is the case of Germany and South Korea who, in essence, used US presence as "free" defense against Communism for about 50 years, so there is a precendent for this type of presence. (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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