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(...) I've received another email from this pathetic loser today. I didn't write to him since the day I started this thread here, and my email to him was only to tell him I didn't care about him and that I wouldn't read or answer to his junk. Today, (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott, you obviously haven't been paying attention. Didn't you hear that the US is fulfilling a divine charter to establish our version of correctness wherever we feel our politico-economic interests may reside? We're on the side of the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The modernisers in Iran were gaining serious ground until Bush came along with his "axis of evil" nonsense. Scott A (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I tend not to trust what wanted war criminals have to say about countries their army has invaded for the sake of territorial expansion. See: Syria rejects Israel weapons claim (URL) Sharon emphasised in his remarks to Israel's Channel Two (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well it might be that some countries ARE better than others, but at least it can be proved that the US is not better than North Korea - and by your own standards too. (...) Did you mean to post this to off-topic.debate? Shouldn't it be in (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Spotting the losers: (URL) that the US ain't scoring a perfect 0 out of 7 here) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think Bush tells himself what he wants to hear and then convinces himself that it is true. "To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou cannot be false to any man." Perhaps you are reacting to his own deception (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | If this is true why haven't more media picked it up?
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(URL) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Post it here, but I believe that I have seen the video on CNN - they were showing it, but running on about something else. Tank shoots building. Pretty straightforward and undeniable. (...) (strategic snipping of my own comments to string this (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Evolution? Don't you mean natural selection? Cheers Richie (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think this particular regime waived that notion when they started stationing (and firing) AA from inside hospitals and stationing (and firing) tanks next to mosques. These reporters were told that Baghdad was a dangerous place and they would (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Costello writes: (snip) (...) What's wrong with that (11mln counted overnight)? half that number is counted in my country by hand on election night, and we have half the population (and presumably, half the number (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would agree that our election process is far from perfect. I wish they would require a photo ID at poling places, or have some other way for voters to prove who they are. Here in Southern California there is always a secret group that buses (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps I am a bit gullible but I tend to believe that our leaders are not lying. I even believed Clinton, who I felt was a pathological liar, when he said that bombing Iraq was in the interest of national security. I have always believed the (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Very good point. That happened in Algeria in '92, when free elections were handled and the fundamentalists won... without cheat! Pedro (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I regret to hear it's no longer there. If I find this video on the web, would you care for me to send it? (...) The footage showed some 5 secs of the tank turret taking aim, then shooting, then the camera shook. If the tank and the target had (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please elaborate. Personally, I think a (known to be occupied) hotel is a "don't shoot" place, much like a hospital. If the troops see anything that disproves that, then they should report to the hierarchy and ask for orders. It was a very (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: THIS is why this whole war is a waste of time. - NO ITS NOT - GO BUILD SOME LEGO!!
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SO WHAT - GO BUILD SOME LEGO - (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> (...) Why should he stop his lieing now? Dubya's lied to us so much since the word 'Go' that even if it was noon in Arizona and he told me that the sun was up, I'd look out a window to (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How do you think LBJ got to be governor? Ahhhhhh, Texas politicians, ya gotta love em! ;-) -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I presume you are in the U.S. for the purposes of the next comment, but even if you are not -- the point is a sound one. I didn't vote for Gore myself, but I ask you: do you really want to live in a country where the elections are being fixed? It's (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually motives are a good question. What possible motive could they have had to kill *any* journalist, that would have provided a benefit to them that was worth all the bad press they are receiving now? They have been going out of their way (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And Dubya can have his brother appointed governor of Iraq, and have the Florida election commision make sure that those he doesn't want having ballots don't get them or.... We can trade zingers, Scott, but the real point is do you believe Bush (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or AlGore can get that bald guy with the glasses to continue recounting hanging chads until he gets the result that he wants. Scott (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) option with the exceedingly long lag delays. Neither the story nor the video. The video would only be conclusive if it showed the whole incident from start to finish, not just the moment of firing. (...) Regarding reports: see what I mean? (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If that happens, then Dubya can just have the Supreme Court overturn the Iraqi election. Dave! (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) from the article: "With a long career centered mostly in the Middle East, administration officials describe (Barbara) Bodine as an Arabist who favors traditional, "stable" Arab regimes - the kind where democracy does not flourish." Note that (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) First Al Cezirah Baghdad office (bombing, 1 cameraman died, three injured), then Abu Dabi TV Baghdad office (tank fire, no causalties), then Hotel Palestine (tank fire, two died, three injured). All in yesterday, all in just a single day. I'm (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Not because we can't win the war, but because we're already setting up to lose the peace: (URL) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not sure I agree with that, exactly, it's rather a long chain of inferences. (...) So stick to them, Dave! They're sufficient. (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Really? Not by any definition I'm familiar with - why do you think it suggests 'dozens'? We have a coalition government in Australia (and it's often refered to as 'The Coalition') which consists of only two parties. (And I note that our (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll agree they probably didn't give an order that the building should never be shot at. I think that order would be just as idiotic. I don't think they shot at it just to shoot at reporters though either. Which some news reports have (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This one was. See it in www.euronews.net (choose language first; by the time I'm writing this, it's the second video on the main stories page - requires real player to be seen). The story is here: (URL)b) "unclear", my @$$. European network (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tanks are not necessarily buttoned up (hatches closed with the crew inside). I don't know the current tactical doctrine on whether the commander stays exposed for greater visibilty or trusts to the optics and air-conditioning of the tank or (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (I have reasons to believe there is a Polish contingent over there as well; and I know that the Spanish Navy has ships deployed in the region to assist in the operations. It's a wider gang than you may think at first, even though only 3 of the (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) From what I could see on the footage, there were at least two tanks and no visible ground troops. I assume the camera, which was located at the hotel, to have about the same viewpoint as the alleged sniper. (...) The RTP reporter was (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As I pointed out in another post, people on the 11th floor didn't hear the actual explosion loudly enough to find it suspicious, so the failure to hear rifle fire is hardly incredible. I work in a conventional office building--if someone fired (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I won't dispute that the leadership knew of the hotel, not that it did not want reporters killed. I ask you though, "to avoid making it an explicit target", isn't it implying it can very well be an "implicit" one, whatever that may be? (...) I (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I must take exception to the use of the term "coalition" -- a coded term intended to suggest dozens in numbers when in actuality only 3 countries are actively participating in the INVASION of Iraq: the U.S., England, and Australia. Further, there (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's hard to second-guess battlefield conditions, though I agree that it would have to be an impressive rifle to damage an Abrams. Were there unprotected soldiers or civilians on the ground near the tank? That might change the priority. A (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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