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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: (warning: the constant use of smileys would get tedious) :-) (...) If them furriners stop a-comin' here, then we woodn't be so crowded-like. (...) You say that as if it were a bad thing. (...) Oily to (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think my point has always been that when you put a piece of paper, or a book, say, off the top of my head--the Bible, or any other piece of literature (good or otherwise) above what's good for you or your fellow person on this planet, then (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The US budget is ~$350bn. Iraq spends $1.4bn (...) He also said: "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." Scott A (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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A good article from an expat Brit (now a US citizen) (URL) favorite quote: 'In off-topic.debate a year and a half ago, I was talking to one of my Canadian friends about the United States Constitution. He waved away the Constitution with a laugh. (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My understanding is that "enemy comabatant" is a term coined by the Dubya administration as a convenient way of referring to people that the admin found inconvenient. Since no war has been formally declared, the US can (nominally) claim not to (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Subject: Questions Do you know enough to justify going to war with Iraq? 1. Q: What percentage of the world's population does the U.S. have? A: 6% 2. Q: What percentage of the world's wealth does the U.S. have? A: 50% 3. Q: Which country has the (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ya, you're right. What the US is doing to the terrorism detainees, as you describe above, is shocking and disgusting. Thanks for reminding us. Oh wait, you're talking about the ICC, aren't you? I got confused for a minute (...) It does? Not if (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Define "fair jury". (...) That'd be a première, in UN instances... Anyway, why are you complaining? It's not as if the judges were to speak anything other than English among themselves! :-) (...) Please elaborate. What are the guaranties for (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Does anyone know why? Lets see; no right to fair jury, no right to language translator, no right to legal counsel, and you can be imprisoned in any country the court chooses. This applies to civilians as well as military personel. I don't (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Fredrik, my dear... "Cooperate"?!!! He has tried for and achieved apparent exemption from the long reach of the Hague! Why mince words about it? -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's hard for me to think of it as an obligation. I've never met anyone able-bodied who was in a position that precluded them from supporting themselves. Also, wouldn't the parent _want_ to help out? Just like the adult kid would _want_ to be (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) By the way, I remember that during his speach, Bush threatened to prosecute Iraqi soldiers for war crimes if they fought against "the coalition" during a forthcoming war. I find this a bit odd, as he does not cooperate with the war crime (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) **snip of a little razzle dazzle** (And I don't care what movie that song shows up in; I'll always remember Joel Grey singing it on The Muppet Show) Here's something likewise keeping in the spirit of upcoming events: ---...--- Dulce Et Decorum (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Ladies and Gentlemen, it's laugh or cry time: (by the rockets red glare...) ---...--- [today's performance only, the part of Billy is played by the President of the United States -- George W. Bush, Jr.!] (Spoken) Roxie, you got nothing to worry (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm, does that never mean that the parent has an obligation to support the child if the child loses his/her job in a layoff after attaining self sufficiency? How is this modified when rape is involved? How do we hold the rapist responsible for (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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It just goes to show what happens to you when English is not the tongue of your parents' household... It was bugging me so I looked it up... It's supposed to be "dumb as a sack of hammers" or "dumb as a bag of hammers." Apparently, there is even (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Grave" would be correct in this instance. But hey, they were just Iraqis -- so who cares? What? It's not funny? -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As well, isn't sending them back almost an automatic death sentence? Surely SH will hear about this, and he is known to kill anyone who has a dissenting opinion--these folks who were sent back... I have grave concerns for their lives... Dave K (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If the troops are there to free the Iraquis from an evil dictator, why were the Iraquis sent *back*? Is the calendar more important than the publically stated goal of the war??? Me puzzled :-S Pedro (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "International War Crimes Court Is Inaugurated, but Without U.S." (URL) portions: ---...--- Since abrogating the Clinton administration's signature last year, the Bush administration has persuaded 24 countries to sign bilateral agreements with (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) which people voiced concern over a television commercial and the company pulled said commercial off the airwaves. In this commercial a dog, via computer finess, is seen coming out of a persons mouth, signifying 'dog breath' in the morning. (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Fredrik: As an american myself I can assure you that most americans are as dumb as hammers. And about as deft as hammers too in their handling of foreign affairs. I'll just basically quote myself from another thread here... Bush (and Blair) Flatly (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Note to all to read this thread. I'm am not going to contribute this topic any further for reasons of my own sanity. Most of use have already made our opinions known and, if you're like me, stubborn enough to stick to you guns even in the face of (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 100% agreement with those conclusions without regard as to how one reasons to get there. My one caveat would be that we must also keep the peace whilst backing away from these complicated international entanglements. America should be a benign (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just remember you are responsible for your actions and act accordingly. (...) I'm not quite sure what your point is here. That you regard 25% as foolish for thinking such? That you think the 25% actually believe that there is an imminent (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This was the first *I* had seen of this, but maybe someone's already posted here about it: (URL) Iraqi soldiers have crossed the Kuwait border and tried to surrender to British forces - because they thought the war had already started. "The motley (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Orion: I believe we have both the means and the intelligence (spy-style intelligence) to go after A.Q. (a well-known terrorist organization that claims at least some part in the WTC disaster and that has few, if any, sympathizers) -- but we do not (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It may seem strange, but there are Iraqis with mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, sons, daughters, husbands, wives, and co-workers too. I expect the vast majority of them mean you no harm; most of the rest are just following orders like (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The bottom line is this: When I joined the Navy six and a half years ago I took an oath. Basically, among other things, it said I would obey the President and other officers appointed above me. Do you renig on an oath simply becuse someone (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) God only knows what the other 58% think! ;) Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've heard figures like that, and you're absolutely correct that the trend is worrying. Of similar concern is the tendency to group Saddam and al Qaeda together simply because they can be broadly categorized at "Arabs who hate the United (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I read in a newspaper the other day that, according to a poll, 42% of the US population thought that the reason for the plans for war against Iraq, was that Iraq was allegely behind the 911 attacks on WTC and Pentagon. If the result from this (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Distant Early Warning. The network of radar bases in Alaska and Canada's far north intended to give the earliest possible terrestrial warning of incoming transpolar missile attack targeted at either the US or Canada. Not the most critical (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) About the "Wag the Dog" issue (one of the movie posters had "Wag the Dog Productions..." When Bubba had his 70 hour war, weren't the Republicans all over that, calling it 'Wag the Dog' (the movie was just released a few months before, iirc), (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks Larry--my apologies for being abrupt. (...) DEW? Most times I love acronyms... (...) To this I agree--throwing our hats into the same ring as those who commit atrocities is the wrong thing to do. But here we sit in the 21st centruy, in (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) of you may already have seen these... (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As I've mentioned, I deplore this stupid, unjustified, pre-emptive, and distracting war. Having said that, my impression has been that France, China, and Russia are particularly demonized at least in part because they have presented themselves (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nor do I. Canada has been a staunch friend of the US far more often than not. (...) Here I think you may want to check your recollection better. Who mans the DEW? (...) I'd not be so dismissive so quickly. His arguments are sound, they're just (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) Canada is in this list? This is why I disdain American political hacks (of course I distain Canadian political hacks as well... ;) ). I don't recall Canada ever 'begging' protection from the US. I don't recall Canada ever (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It is all too easy to demonise France, China and Russia; but the reality is that most nations are against this folly. As far as I know, there are only two nations where the majority of the population support the looming war: the USA and (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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