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(...) Your evidence? (...) So would I, but these lego images are not abouse of anything. They are lego-related. If you are truly concerned about people blatantly abusing the TOS then go after the non-lego images, espically the ones that are 100kb+ (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"tom" <tinosanto@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:GpJGnr.Ky4@lugnet.com... (...) news:GpIFL7.MEB@lugnet.com... (...) these (...) what (...) of (...) When did I say they didn't have a right to be on Brickshelf because of that? I was unaware I was (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"tom" <tinosanto@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:GpJFI2.GMx@lugnet.com... (...) news:GpI890.8D8@lugnet.com... (...) of (...) Well? (...) to (...) deal (...) If its a majority opinion that it adds little value and the admin of such free service (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"tom" <tinosanto@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:GpJI02.2Iu@lugnet.com... (...) generate (...) Storing a file on a server takes up no bandwidth [1]. Accessing that file through the internet remotely does. Chat avatars are accessed much more than (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A small files that is loaded over and over again uses MUCH more bandwidth than a large image loaded a few times. (...) There you go, you got a guidline. :) Jeff (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Your felling they are abuse is because you do not like them, and they take up space for items you do like. Just so happens that there are many of these items you do not like. But they are lego related, like it or not - they are lego related (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 12 year old BZ member: "This avatar I'm uploading takes up very little space, so it must be OK" Realistically, I don't think it's possible to come up with a guideline which allows the eg andersson and not eg (URL) I'd be disappointed to see (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was unaware you were appointed to determine what is quality moc's and what had a right to be on brickshelf.. And there is not an overwhelming amount of these images, thats just you stretching the facts to gan points for you. (...) Agreed, (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My reasons for feeling they are abuse is due to the drowning out of content I, and other fans I speak to on a regular basis, am interested in, the bandwidth issues, and their general appearance. Frankly, I think they're ugly. I wouldn't (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ummmmm... (...) So because something adds little value to you its ok to ban it? Hmmm, you know cad images add little value to me - so can we ban those while we are at it? (...) Not for the first goround, but for his second attack (as far as I (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actaully, thats a very bad idea, here is why: These people make and upload these to be seen, thats the point of these things - to be used as an id for posts. Do you think that these people would mark a box that would basically keep them from (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Looks like I missed all the fun! I disagree. I have no problem at all with avatars filling up brickshelf. I too check the recent images pages regularly, and have noticed the increase of these images, but I have no problem ignoring them. I also (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Rich Manzo" <Brickfan25@aol.com> wrote in message news:GpJ82H.HzC@lugnet.com... (...) Certainly does, if the avatars are the things flooding the server. Which, by several peoples' opinions here they are. (...) and (...) Now that's a legitimate (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't see how these images are abuse. The TOS only requires that images be related to LEGO products or be of general interest to the LEGO community. Unless one feels that Bionicle Zone is not part of the "LEGO community" I would think that (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure. Many have, many do, and many will. (...) Actually, I believe Kevin has given some leeway in what is "of general interest to the fan community," i.e. one or two pictures of yourself are acceptable. I could see him allowing one or two (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can only imagine you are confusing my opinion on avatar images (and I include all avatar images, not just Bionicle ones) with my opinion on Bionicle MOCs. I have not bashed any Lego line in this thread, nor have I bashed any MOCs. Whether I (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah, I see. Validity doesn't enter into it when they have an opinion other than yours. Thanks for clearing that up. (...) It isn't a poor example, just an extreme one. (...) No they aren't. CAD and rendered images are used to show off models (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I'm sorry I've posted outside the origninal thread but there are now far too many posts that I'd like to respond to and this seems like the most painless way to do so. Thanks to everyone who has seen my post for what it was. I think there have been (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Ah, spam. I have been mostly successful this year in hiding from it. But there is one of those search engine rackets that fires off a spam of lies to me when I update my web page. Also, they seem to pick a random email address off it. Since the (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um, yes. The version of BZ that we are running now never hosted avatars. We offer standard avatars for all users to use, and if they want to use a custom avatar, then they have to find an external pic hosting site. Even members who pay do not (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yea, just look at the history of "serious" model railroading. Weren't there even some complaints about kits back in the beginning. There sure were a lot of complaints about the RTR (ready to run [out of the box]) models. Bachman's come a long (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My question here would be whether folks would forget to check that the upload is significant on the one hand, and if folks would mark their avatars and other relatively non-interesting pictures as significant? Has anything ever happened with (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.publish)
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(...) When the Brickshelf gallery first opened several people were given admin access (mainly just being content cops). The major (possibly only) rule for filtering brickshelf was non-lego related pictures were not allowed. I only deleted pics a few (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I did. I knew other kids who did. My seven year old son is keen to pay his fair share for things (if he happens to have cash). (...) I might be the only one, but I don't get the sense of what you wrote here. (...) And? Chris (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) giving (...) Do you seriously think young kids at 8-16 years willing to donate for something that is free? I don't think so. Bionicle is LEGO, and Brickshelf is a hosting site for LEGO Images, and its not making any money what so ever. (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Five is a blatant series? Jude (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um, no. The owner of BZ said he could not afford to continue hosting them and that avatars were high bandwidth. He called it a problem, in so many words. So it is a problem for someone. (...) As long as Kevin can *afford* it to be. It's not a (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<massive snip> Even though I think that the avatars are a waste and should some how be limited on Brickshelf, your post made a lot of sense. I agree completely with you on the points you made. But still, I do think that there needs to be a limit on (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's not a problem, it is a choice. The free sites offer their service without stipulation for people to use. Brickshelf is there for all Lego aficionados. **Warning*** I am going off an a tangent- Lugnet has virtually ignored Bionicle fans. (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tim Courtney writes: <snip> (...) Pot, Kettle, Black! <snip> Sorry Tim, I could not resist. <grin> Jude (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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A technical argument against avatars could be made on bandwidth grounds. In fact, this is the argument bioniclezone.com itself gives against hosting avatars there directly. They can't afford the bandwidth that these avatars (which appear on every (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"tom" <tinosanto@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:GpI890.8D8@lugnet.com... (...) Who are you to chastize him for an opinion? The admin of LUGNET? (...) can't (...) brickbay (...) I imagine in Jon's opinion, Bionicle avatars are much different than (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"tom" <tinosanto@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:GpIFL7.MEB@lugnet.com... (...) view. Quality MOCs are being overtaken on Brickshelf because of the avatars. They're not permanently hidden, but they're pushed out of the way (and hidden from view (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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It seems that I might be stepping into a personality conflict between these two that pre-exists this discussion. Is that the case? (...) Too many capitalized words will dilute your point...whatever it was. (...) You go on to discuss how one makes (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ouch, is that how you treat everything you do not like? Tell me, what product line of Lego do you like... lets trash that, as well as your work for awhile - ok?? Thats what you are doing here.... (...) If it is still there, then it is not (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Kevin is the Owner, Maintainer, and Administrator of Brickshelf. (...) Why is that Ironic? One doesn't have to like something to make money on it. Fads are notorious for being big money makers for a short period of time. Jon obviously feels (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is your right to think he has valid points, but that is not the point. (...) No, because children would see it - your example is a very poor one. These are as lego-related as the cad images. AFAIK there is not a way to do this in mclad or (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) He is well within his rights to ask for a ban on something he dislikes. Unlike many calls-for-bans, however, he actually has valid points. (...) Well, because they are barely related, and certainly don't add anything to the community; in Jon's (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought Kevin was an admin of brickshelf, other than that I have no idea. (...) lol, so do I. Land of Lakes medium chedder to be exact `,D (...) So would I, I just found it ironic that he was talking trash about bionice (as well as the (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why? Because he does not like them? Why should these lego items be banned from a lego pic hosting service? Are they lego related - yes! He simply wants them banned because *he* does not like them! Is that mature? And as far as other options (...) (23 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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