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(...) What has Holland to do with anything? Are you saying that Syria should loose its place to Holland(!)? Syria must be bad, this is what Israel's UN ambassador said: "It fails even at the regional level to display any contribution to peace and (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tell us what your basis for that opinion is. (...) I have a firm grip on reality. I'm not so sure you do. I'm not the only one who thinks that either. Scott A (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, can you? (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Tom Stangl" <tom.stangl@sun.com> wrote in message news:3BC3637E.62D9EA...sun.com... (...) I think it depends on the intepretation of 'vast'. US, Iran, Thailand - now thats more like vast. US, Canada, UK - that's just shades of grey in my book. (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure. I have no doubt that property deeds in Palestine changed hands just the same as property in Anytown, U.S.A. People there moved and sold their homes and farms just like anyone else. (...) No, I'm not saying that and neither are the (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um, NO. That doesn't follow. Not unless every mugger in Canada kills their victim every time (if that happened, you'd have a lot more citizens killing muggers, with illegal guns if necessary). The statistics you quoted have to do with deaths, (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, A new noun for the Lugnet FAQ!!! ROSCO FUT .o-t.fun (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<No greeting on request of Larry ;-), and to not err in the name ;-)=)> (...) Well, my response to this idea may apply less to the US than to Europe: We don't have enough space to build a CHOICE of roads to every destination. So, what remains of my (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Larry, it seems you have discussed this earlier than I jumped in. From some earlier posting from you on air safety I assume that you advocate the free market for any type of product, even security. (...) So, if I get you right, you would want (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, they are not. There is NO way that you can compare downtown Toronto with Elliot Lake (or Pickle Lake). I've lived in the biggest Canadian city, and in much smaller communities. I would say that the murder rate per populace _by gun_ was (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) a (...) in (...) Neither am I. I don't think the Terrorism Research Centre intend it to be either. As I said, I don't think there is a single "workable" definition of terrorism. (...) However most military action is directed at military (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugn (...) the Bill of Rights (...) What??? You mean, that since we DON'T WANT your Bill of Rights, or your Declaration of Independance (we did it nicely enough ourselves, thank you without any guns from you prodding us :) (1812 :) - Canada is a (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you think this would really be practical? Do we unwind all the way back to the first settlers? How do we deal with the wealth which has been generated from those lands? I'm curious as to how and where we draw the line. Perhaps it is prudent (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm, I'm not sure this is a workable definition. I think this is the general purpose of most military action (just about no military action expects to eliminate much more than a fraction of the enemy forces, what it seeks to do is eliminate (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) While I don't have any knowledge of the laws of Canada and the UK, I'm pretty confident the rights enshrined in the US Constitution are not as well protected in Canada and the UK. (...) The right to bear arms is not the "almost single one (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My view, after reading your link and a few other things, is that I cannot see any situation where a mass-destruction device such as those used over Japan would be the most effective weapon. Well, OK, maybe if there was a (very) large area (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) and a (...) and time (...) out at (...) minimizing the (...) applied (...) WTC as (...) Thanks, Tom. I agree that there's no single "catch-all" definition of terrorism. There's a bit of a discussion about it here (URL) quote from there: "The (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Would it be possible for ownership to be *purchased* from legitimate previous owners rather than having had to have been in the family all that time? Or are you saying that purchasing land can't be done, only inheritance is acceptable as a (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And what about *inside* them? Are these three nations that homogeneous? (...) OTOH, it can be said the US are too far to the Conservative side... it depends of the reference you take for "Centre". (...) Yes, but the UK did not need a (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Absolutely, and there are Arab Jews with such deeds that Israel also will not recognize. It's not a question of religion, it's basically racism. Arab Jews are second class Jews in Israel because the Zionists regard Palestinians as transients. (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How are they NOT? While they share many similarities, can you seriously say the mindset of the country as a whole is the same between them? Canada and the UK seem to lean too far to the Socialist side compared to the US, IMO. There are many (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's a good question. I don't know if I'd pin it down to a hard definition applied universally. It almost needs a case-by-case analysis. But I certainly don't see Hiroshima/Nagasaki as acts of terrorism, and DO see WTC as acts of terrorism. (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just for my own edification, if a Jewish family could produce a legitimate deed from, say, eight or ten centuries ago documenting their ownership of a piece of property in modern Palestinian land, would you accept that deed as proof of their (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What do you mean? Its clear the Israelis are on the offensive by the fact that they are occupying Palestinian land. So every Israeli soldier is logically considered part of the occupying force and a threat to Palestinian freedom. Therefore, (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why not? There have already been numerous lawsuits regarding post-WWII settlements regarding property and assets of Jewish families that survived the Holocaust. I support any efforts to bring misdoings to light and seek justice for all victims (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Israel must renounce Zionism, which is a racist, fanatical, exclusionist and intolerant political belief that regards the Holy Land as exclusively the home of the Jews and Judaism, and deems that Christianity and Islam have no place there. (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Justify that I'm not convinced of something? How am I supposed to do that, exactly? Get a grip on yourself and your frothing. (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you prepared to support complete and full reparation of all property taken from these European Jews? Personally, I'd actually like to see that. I also wonder if their concerns had been taken seriously earlier whether we would be in the (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For the 3rd time : Can you justify this in any way? (...) Well? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Justification please. (...) Larry your argument is hollow. It is empty. Can you justify it. Come on Larry, I am almost interested. Scott A (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Than you are in denial of reality (in my opinion). (...) That depends on the sense you imply. Do you prefer "overwhelmingly & disproportionately white man's club"? (...) Nope. Your post was a correction for dave. It had nothing to do with me. (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ... but you offer no justification. How simple your life must be. I almost envy you. (...) I offer facts, you offer unbased opinion. Ho hum. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for the cogent restatement! (...) ... but forgive me if the answers raise more questions (...) I can see your reasoning even if I don't agree... but how would the chain of events unfold to get from 1 to 2 below? Does the current state (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You can post and repost this as many times as you like, I've said what I wanted to say. I doubt the veracity of UN statistics but more importantly, the other two legs stand. Fault lies with the perpetrator, not the victim and not the (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't deny demographics. Never did. I deny relevance to message. (...) How convenient, you set the question up so you get to keep using your smear. The term is pejorative and you know it. (...) In fact it does. You are smearing by using the (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Silence is not assent. Who has time to deny everything you allege? Not me, it would deny me time to do anything else. But I specifically deny this (that I am in denial about Sudan or Iraq), if it will make you happy. (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not saying it is racist. If I thought that, I would say that. It is a bunch of white guys sitting playing with an agenda which will benifit them. This was covered in the thread a while back. I remembered that. I looked at Larry's views on (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is this offensive & defensive action? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was talking more about the linkage to events of 11th sept. The link is clear. (...) One would hope not. (...) Is so, that would be equall irrelevant (to me). (...) In the news yes. But this is not news. This is opinion from a political (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm only responding because this refers back to a post that I was at least in part quoted on. Saying the Libertarian party primarily appeals to middle/upper-middle class white males and calling it a "white man's club" are two different things. (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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