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(...) 10 years! he should have got twenty, he was already on probation, He probably would have done it evetually and locking him up hardly counts as a loss to society! I think what society gains from the removal of the risk he posed far outways any (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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That's just beyond belief. I can't adequately express the outrage I'm feeling over the stupidity of the judge that actually let this happen (make no mistake, the judge is the only one to blame for this, he has the ultimate power in the case). I (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK, here's a nicely vague one for you. (URL) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can't agree more on this. Many people think it a cliche, but it's the truth - "My wife is my best friend" I wouldn't have it any other way. (...) No, no harm in it, as long as you realize they are in Denial if they think they aren't having (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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They just had a bit on Dateline or some other show in the last few days discussing this. How kids can say oral sex is not sex is beyond me - I think it's just Major Denial, a way to justify doing as much as they can without thinking about any (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right! We have some impressively vague and unenforced laws. For example, apparently Bill Clinton and Gary Condit(1) may both be "sex offenders" under DC law, since adultery is illegal in DC. Matters not whether all parties involved consent or (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nah, Eddie van Halen. :-) Bruce (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am no expert either, but that is the usual criticism it endures in the UK. I disagree that adult cinema is geared towards "toward the satisfaction of male sexual fantasy and desire". I imagine it is directed towards a sub-group of male (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, you mean like Jiang Zemin or perhaps Augusto Pinochet? :) Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who said unfettered? (...) Perhaps you should move to Cuba? (...) Sometimes you surprise me... but not this time! Scott A (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Either do I, but I intend to be a good parent. But I am glad the safety ne is there to protect kids... not just my own. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I expect you mean this: (URL) is worth noting that in some areas of the UK tossing a stone at a window counts as attempted burglary. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Some. I'm not really sure what you're asking. Did you want names and addresses? (...) I suspect that even if there are not specific and precise laws about it there are generally vague laws that could (and would) be used to prosecute the (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I gather it was from the former president of your country? Jennifer Clark (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Huh? What parents wouldn't be shy demonstrating sex to their kids in person? I'm pretty sure there are laws against performing sexual acts in front of your children anyway. Or maybe you meant demonstrating it as in talking and showing pictures (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not to mention that a dictatorship is often more easily changed than a democracy - you only generally have to get rid of one person (and maybe some key henchmen). (...) It certainly would free up a lot of money wasted on jails and the court (...) (24 years ago, 13-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Now why is that I wonder? Get it out in the open. It wasn't too long ago that homosexuality (for an example) was socially taboo for subject matter. Now people tend to take it as a matter of course. I beleive that the media had a huge hand in (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But what is marginal? And I disagree that all three could be included. I can envision a gallery selling 20x24" matted prints of a naked six year old and his dog playing in a sprinkler. Would that under any reasonable set of circumstances be (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How so? Consumer demographics are highly male. Thus, the adult cinema is geared toward the satisfaction of male sexual fantasy and desire. To whatever extent the activities depicted are less than perfectly representitive of norml life (that is (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am saying I do not care about the lions morals. Saying a lion has no morals, is like saying it cannot drive a car - it is irrelevant. I view calling a lion “amoral” as negative, as it is saying it has not got what we view as being “good”. (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Again, I'm tremendously unclear. Please try and explain in more than 2 sentences. Try and summarize in a couple ways-- that might help. As near as I can tell, you mean one of two things: 1. You mean to say that we cannot tell if animals have (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because, I expect, people do not want to know. Domestic violence exists, but too many in society turn a blind eye. (...) Was it a few months ago - Is that the guy who did not wear a helmet? (...) I do not believe that parents always know best. (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It might be a way to curb that type of violence, yes. So why not show that type of violence in movies? Get it out in the open. Don't hide it from your children. Allow them to see the violence and have a chance to understand that it is wrong (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I may well have. (...) The stereotypical porn movie is demeaning to woman. If I were to teach anyone sex education, it would be more than a functional analysis. Sex education should, at the very least, be in the context some sort of well (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A good question. If it is publically avaible it could include all 3. But I see your point. But lets leave the marginal side of kiddy porn aside for now. (...) My view would be that individuals who use this material may need help in some way. (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A good question. If it is publically avaible it could include all 3. But I see your point. But lets leave the marginal side of kiddy porn aside for now. (...) My view would be that individuals who use this material may need help in some way. (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As I cycle to work, cars do not screech around corners. Buildings do not explode. But I am sure that behind a couple of doors a husband is beating a wife. A dad is beating his kids. A mother may be beating her kids too. The reality is that (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well I still think it is. I view moralising as rather sanctimonious. To say an animal is without them is negative - in my opinion. (...) Amoral is negative. (...) Evaluate comes to mind (...) Read Larry's message again. Assess the tone. What (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. Not at all. I meant consumption levels. I used to share an office with a guy who has utter contempt for anyone who is more than a pound overweight, gay or a Catholic(1). I was thinking of him when I wrote the text. He lives in the USA (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well? Is there a contrary view? Scott A (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Including me I think. (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) By referencing the dietary constraint issue, are you talking about my ethical stance on vegetarianism? You are claiming that there is a difference between protecting lives and dietary restriction, but my dietary restriction does protect lives. (...) (24 years ago, 12-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For one thing, after the filming of Xena's beheading, Lucy Lawless appeared on Leno. In real life people do not typically hit the talk show circuit after they're decapitated (though admittedly it's sometimes hard to tell the difference). As (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm.. It strikes me as a contradiction to call for reality as a stylized representation of reality, but I'm nitpicking (and, anyway, I know what you're saying). But overall I think people want realism in their fiction, moreso than (but not to (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not by my watch. If you were unclear on the issue you probably should've asked Larry what he meant by amoral. Otherwise, you must explain what definition you though Larry was using, explain why it's not what you're saying, AND explain the (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the key phrase is "public indecency and lewdness." Sex, violence, indecency etc. don't always happen in public. (...) The reason that I chose that particular incident, is because there was a double shooting at a local mall the day (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Didn't you jump my case for calling you a prude several months ago? I think pornography is a good tool for parents to demonstrate sex when they're too shy to do so in person. It sounds like Scott objects to the commission of certain acts or (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't mean to come down on the side of censorship here, but if you haven't noticed, we do have laws against public indecency and lewdness and laws against violence too. So your analogy, it seems to me, works against your stance. (...) But we (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Last time I had to post 3 timesabout my new MOCs before 2 people replied. They were too busy arguing about wings in space... ZaC Soden ---...--- www.ozbricks.com/battlespace (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I know this was a troll, but I thought I'd bite. (...) Certainly we tell ourselves that the children involved are deeply damaged by the experience. I'm not so sure that it's just our squicky puritanical knee-jerk doing that rationalizing sometimes. (...) (24 years ago, 11-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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