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(...) That's the parent's duty - not mine, or the governments for that matter either. I would rather the government do something useful, not tell me what I can/cannot say, or what my children can/cannot see or hear. If a parent can't keep track of (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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heh, I enjoyed watching "capricorn one". I hope no one is taking this thread as direct challenge. Though I am a believer in the moon landings, I understand that it is possible (though unlikely) that I could have been led astray. (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would have thought that was evident. Rather than just saying "I agree", I thought your statement had more substance? Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I do not speak American English. ;) (...) I think Larry did that last week did he not? Look here: (URL) you read it, you will see it was actually in a reply to YOU. It is a few messages above this one. Next time, take the time to think before (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Personally, I would think it is bad that any group is "working hard as we speak to ensure US kids can be exposed to porn and violence." - call me a prude if you wish. (...) What if a kid has a parent that does not care - is that OK? What if (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Daniel Jassim writes: <snip> (...) There is link somewhere in my favorites folder that I cannot find at the moment (this folder is dire need of organizing) which offers a cite about a creationist who would not believe a (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I am highly appreciative for sites such as this. Often they can explain better thatn myself the differece between scientific fact and personal biased speculation... I took the liberty of reading several articles on that site thoroughly absorbed (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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my post here was emotional I suppose. The thread "is this sexism?" has changed topic several times now and did not seem to be a bother, at least not for me. Then a personal argument sprung up where someone became irritated that the topic had changed (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Funny, my dictionary here at work (The American Heritage 3rd edition) gives this definition: Neither moral nor immoral Try dictionary.com and see what you come up with. (or should I do the legwork for you?) Tell you what, I'll mail you my (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What's wrong with that? Are you advocating limits on speech rights? If you don't want your kids exposed to porn and violence - monitor what they are watching. Just because the US is a democracy doesn't mean the the individual household has to (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm saying that I agree with Larry. Do you think I'm disagreeing? What are you looking for here? (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Meat related agricultural..." Seems a little vague to me, but I think I understand what you are getting at from the rest of the thread. You'll also have to bear with me since I am at work and am unwilling to go to either site while at work. (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Interestingly, my thesaurus give these replacements for “amoral”. Unprincipled Unethical Dishonourable Unscrupulous *Immoral* Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You have asked this already. I have answered it already. (...) I think we tend to group socially with those who have morals which match our own. (...) Your own values are your own. We are all individuals. (...) A great deal. (...) Yes (...) It (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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When did the polling take place? What group was polled – age/sex/ethnic background? What order were the questioned asked in? Was any supplemental information given? How was the poll undertaken - telephone / face-to-face/via the web? Were any other (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps it is time it was brought into the 21st century? Much of it is based on the English bill of rights which dates back to 1689. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How right you are. But pasting all this LP crap into LUGNET is one step away from pasting adds for chocalte bars or cars. There are real issue out their which are worth talking about - your selfish breed of politics is not. It often surprises (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I do not think that "lack" is strong enough to suggest that. But, even if it is I still think it is negative. (...) I have. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I already have. Like I said before, read before you post. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you saying the dictionary larry quoted is wrong? Are you saying the one I quoted is wrong? Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Larry is right. Read on through the thread and you will see that I have indeed changed my mind. -Duane (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Kirby Warden writes (in part): (...) I'll come out on this one. I love the film, Capricorn One [1]. I believe the hoax theory is plausible [2], and I even doubted the veracity of the moon landing for a few days a couple (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Daniel Jassim writes (in part): (...) Actually, I think the consprirists only believe the moon landings themselves were faked, not the space program, nor the earth orbits. They seem to believe that we have orbited the (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I agree with the suggestion, but not for the same reason. Generally, I have no problem with threads changing subject, as long as the subject line points this out. However, as I use the web interface to post to Lugnet (most of the time), (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Here's a page that's highly biased against the hoax theory, but has links to lotsa stuff on both sides. ROSCO (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not deluded about it now. Perhaps I should say that I felt that way AT THE TIME (i.e. I thought I was teaching that jerk a lesson). I realize now as an adult that beating him up didn't somehow convince him to be a better person. More than (...) (24 years ago, 9-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dan, I'm all for how you handled that. 100%. But don't delude yourself. What you did settled your internal justicemeter. It tought the thug nothing about respect for animals. The best it could have possibly done was taught him that some people (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Nope, I don't do the converting thing. If someone doesn't agree with me on a topic, it doesn't disturb me in the least. However, I do enjoy being challenged, wheather I challenge myself, or find myself challenged by another force (people, (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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i'm rather devided on the "want to believe" concept... ...the kid in me certainly thinks it a great idea to have aliens visiting Earth and leaving advanced technology... ...however, the realist in me doesn't think it would be such a hot idea to have (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, sure! And that's a perfectly valid reason in and of itself, wasn't challenging that. Just wondering if you had something deeper in mind with the question, is all. (Some convertor used this question as an opener to try to convince me of (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Could the moon landings have been faked, of course. However, I believe they happened and seriously doubt there was a conspiracy regarding the matter. We know the rockets went up and we have the first hand accounts of the astronauts who rode them. (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) why not? aren't they debatable? (24 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why ask about conspiracy theories? (24 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) Ummm...why what? (24 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Lobster Bisque (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
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(...) I think the mechanism being used so far (undercover employees reporting what they see) seems to be working fine for identifying problems. I am satisfied that this problem exists, just not as of yet clear on how endemic it is, nor clear that my (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Beyond a shadow? I dunno. A shadow of doubt doesn't take much to support it. Beyond a reasonable doubt though, yes. (...) I share a trait with Dave! (see, got his name to be last in the sentence) I too will get into debates with people for no (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Is there anyone here who does not believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that men have indeed walked on the moon? I have spent some time in thought on this "conspiracy", and have decided, that I could never convince a skeptic that men have walked on the (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Thank you Dan for providing the PETA link. Although the pictures and information on the site did not serve to change my cravings for beef products, it did serve to offer me a central source of information on the subject of animal cruelty and meat (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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the recent "debate" on animal rights/cruelty is "off-topic". The thread that this debate happens to be in, was originally about sexism in the work place. since someone kindly suggested to another that the "animal" debate should remain "on-topic", I (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I followed the PETA link that Dan provided. It was the first time I have ever been to the site and found it rather easy to navigate. Out of curiosity I even read an article specifically about animal abuse in rodeo. The article offered about a dozen (...) (24 years ago, 8-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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