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Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
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Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:09:08 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Duane Hess writes:

I disagree. But I understand your point. Although the Cambridge link works
for me, we can use your dictionary (above). It is not that your rock is
"Lacking{1}  moral sensibility" it is simply *unable* to have moral
sensibility. The distinction is not subtle. However, saying they rock is
without morals is in itself negative - although I doubt the rock cares that
much.

Totally not following this. If something is unable, it clearly lacks. In
what way is amoral an insufficient category to contain rocks, amoeba, grass
and sheep (positing sheep are not self aware)?

I do not think that "lack" is strong enough to suggest that. But, even if it
is I still think it is negative.


I still agree with Larry's distictions between being moral, immoral and
amoral. Do you believe that things are either moral or immoral (to varying
degrees), with no room for an amoral definition? Or is there a fourth
definition in there somewhere?

If there is he hasn't given it. I would like to hear it (stated positively,
that is, not in terms of what it is not), so tests could be applied to see
if it really does add another equivalence class to the partition.

I reiterate, I see there being only 3 partitions here, and if one answers
"is it A, B, or C" with "none" the onus is on that person to say what sort
of thing it is, then.

I have.

Scott A


(arguably I'd even lump moral and immoral together for the purposes of
partitioning and go down to two classes. There are things that morality is
relevant to, and things that it isn't. There are no other possibilities)

++Lar



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  Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
 
(...) Totally not following this. If something is unable, it clearly lacks. In what way is amoral an insufficient category to contain rocks, amoeba, grass and sheep (positing sheep are not self aware)? (...) If there is he hasn't given it. I would (...) (23 years ago, 5-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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