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Re: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:13:36 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Duane Hess writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Duane Hess writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Duane Hess writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > > What don't you understand? And how did "none" answer the question? I'm still
> > > > > > confused Scott. Am I to infer your meaning? I've asked several times now for
> > > > > > clarification and you have not even tried.
> > > > >
> > > > > The cambridge link didn't work for me. When I went here:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=amoral
> > > > >
> > > > > I got these:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Not admitting of moral distinctions or judgments; neither moral nor immoral.
> > > > > 2. Lacking moral sensibility; not caring about right and wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > Seems to me that "moral", "immoral" and "amoral" form an equivalence class
> > > > > partition, that is, that every object, concept, action, etc, etc. can be
> > > > > partitioned into one of these three bins. If I understand Scott right, he is
> > > > > now (but not previously, see the contradiction Dave E originally posted)
> > > > > claiming there is another bin. He's not making it easy to follow him, but
> > > > > that's the gist of his argument as I understand it.
> > > > >
> > > > > I disagree.
> > > >
> > > > I disagree. But I understand your point. Although the Cambridge link works
> > > > for me, we can use your dictionary (above). It is not that your rock is
> > > > "Lacking{1} moral sensibility" it is simply *unable* to have moral
> > > > sensibility. The distinction is not subtle. However, saying they rock is
> > > > without morals is in itself negative - although I doubt the rock cares that
> > > > much.
> > >
> > > I still agree with Larry's distictions between being moral, immoral and
> > > amoral.
> >
> > Are you saying the dictionary larry quoted is wrong? Are you saying the one
> > I quoted is wrong?
>
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> I'm saying that I agree with Larry. Do you think I'm disagreeing? What are
> you looking for here?
I would have thought that was evident. Rather than just saying "I agree", I
thought your statement had more substance?
Scott A
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> > Scott A
> >
> > > Do you believe that things are either moral or immoral (to varying
> > > degrees), with no room for an amoral definition? Or is there a fourth
> > > definition in there somewhere?
> > >
> > > OK, I can see the distiction you make with regard to the rock. Does this
> > > imply that in order to have morals (even deficient ones) requires feelings?
> > >
> > > -Duane
> > >
> > > >
> > > > It is that simple.
> > > >
> > > > Scott A
> > > >
> > > > {1} NB : A Lack does not necessarily equal none!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "amoral" is an awfully wide bin and includes rocks falling, for example, as
> > > > > well as the actions of all creatures that don't use morality in their
> > > > > internal processes that choose actions.
> > > > >
> > > > > I could be convinced otherwise but it would take some actual explanation of
> > > > > why things that don't have a moral system (like rocks) aren't therefore
> > > > > amoral (the definition, after all, says "without moral sensibility") rather
> > > > > than just sniping and then saying "you didn't get my point".
> > > > >
> > > > > Saying that rocks are amoral does not, in my view, strike me as an
> > > > > anthropomorphic claim, either. It just says "morals don't have meaning to
> > > > > rocks" without any claim about whether that is a human centric thing or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > ++Lar
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