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Re: Castle World is dead.
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Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:12:49 GMT
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My own laziness is an issue that is being addressed with the new proposal
that Pawel and I are working on. Why Pawel? Because it was his baby to
begin with. Why not you, Sava? Well, as seen from the previous post you can
be a little dictatorial and I don’t care for that quality in a person. Pawel
and I have worked out a solution that allows expansive autonomy for
individuals, groups, whomever wants to participate. The only reason I am
going to maintain a hand in it at all is to make sure no one person or group
messes up what others are doing.
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I disagree deeply here. I’ve talked a bit with anthony, and have read his posts
closely. I think he has been working extensively to keep as many people in the
mix as possible.
Both him and I have been very open about our ideas about CW and where to take
it. When I posted my proposed plan of action, and the follow-up a week later, I
specifically asked for your opinion. You and Pawel have taken this off lugnet
to discuss, and I feel *that* is very undemocratic.
Anthony’s proposal for a Committee, an open invitation for anyone who has been
active in castle within the past SIX MONTHS, is extremely democratic and
inclusive.
I think such a groundless accusation is as divisive as anything else.
I think Anthony’s point about your posts in off-topic is a valid one; yes, you
can do with your time what you like - but then give reigns to people willing to
devote time and attention.
Lastly, I think different castle projects, such as CastleWorld, Castle Builders’
Guild (Mine and Ben E’s custom castle site) and the 3CS (a standard to aid with
displays) all benefit from each-other and do not in the least lead to divisive
ness. Of course having so many different projects can be confusing, but that’s
a different issue.
I think, in the very least, everyone who responded to anthony’s call for a CW
committee should be included in the discussion of what CW will be.
-Lenny
ps, i got your email, and will reply later today. ;o)
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Pawel and I have taken the babble of ideas from the bazaar back to the
cathedral with us, there we have refined those same ideas for re-release back
to the bazaar.
I am sorry that you see this as an “us v them” thing, and that you intend on
taking everyone here with you. That seems divisive to me and I hope that
others disagree that there is an “us v them” situation here, there is only an
us and no them at all. Why you would act to divide the participants in this
newsgroup is a move beyond all reason in my estimation.
I am going to continue refining the proposal Pawel and I are working on for
release to this community. If members of this community choose not to
participate, then that is everyone’s loss.
Minor Digression: The last time the site was updated was actually almost a
year ago -- 10-27-02, 8:44 PM. When I took it over, it was really and truly
dead. I have done nothing of importance with the site until but very
recently when interest was naturally regenerated in this community. I am
still unsure of how to proceed with CW, not in itself, but because of some of
the other projects under discussion and because I do not want CW to compete
for energy with those other projects. I have said as much elswhere -- I want
to pull us together, not tear us apart. I have made public requests of the
other project coordinators to let us know what they had in the works so that
we wouldn’t be stepping on anyone else’s toes (see:
http://news.lugnet.com/castle/org/cw/?n=1770). I wanted to give full support
to ideas like CCC, even if that meant putting CW on a back burner. End
Digression.
As it stands. I think Pawel and I will just put our revamped CW idea out
there and let the bazaar choose where they will put their energies.
I don’t care what you do on your own, Sava. Create whatever project you
wish. Take whomever you want with you. I am not the boss of you as you are
not the boss of me. I have no idea why calling for a little patience is so
taxing to you, we are not on a schedule after all...at least, I am not.
If something seems amiss, you need to reread the first line of this post.
-- Hop-Frog
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| Wow! This is the most intense argument I’ve ever seen on lugnet. Not that there haven’t been other ones that I don’t know about. You see I’m a strictly .castle lurker. Now I know that the opinion of one lurker doesn’t count for much so I’m not going (...) (21 years ago, 3-Sep-03, to lugnet.castle.org.cw, FTX)
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| Sava: One of my primary rules for CW is that you do not have any rights to my time. My own laziness is an issue that is being addressed with the new proposal that Pawel and I are working on. Why Pawel? Because it was his baby to begin with. Why not (...) (21 years ago, 2-Sep-03, to lugnet.castle.org.cw, FTX)
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