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In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) This last suggestion sounds like having a membership packet. I like the idea of having a membership package, possibly packaged with a CD of current LDraw editors, tools, library, (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I got friends. I therefore got lots of drivers licenses :-) (...) Obviously I'll have to show up in person at 1 Ldraw Plaza to submit some DNA :-) (...) Humor? And to demonstrate that creating multiple means of verification may defeat the (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) OK, so you favor requireing a drivers license or something else more stringent then? Or restricting it to just LUGNET members only? or what? And you're OK if you go to 0 votes if any two of these are discovered to be the same when probed? What (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Lemme see... 1) Amy Hughes 2) lugnews@IXNAYONTHEAM...hughes.org 3) lugnet # 928 and 1) Nancy Drew 2) ndrew@NYETSPAMthelor...houses.com (yep, that's me) 3) gimme a week or so to create and use an FBTB account and 1) Fred Smith 2) (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Just to get people thinking, since maybe we're stuck... try this strawman To be an ldraw.org member, you have to supply 3 things, all of which are retained in a DB for validation (but not made public) 1. your real name 2. a working email (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) OK, would that be sufficient? Only LUGNET(tm) members can be members? Is that too exclusionary? It's certainly simple enough. If it IS too exclusionary, what scheme would you suggest for those potential members who are not LUGNET members? (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Why not? ldraw.org would presumably be (by Bylaws provision) banned from selling the info, and would presumably be bound to take all reasonable care with the information. Those restrictions (which would take a lot of work to ever change, by (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I completely agree with Jennifer. As I stated before, we're not running State elections we're voting for a hobby organization. The problem about false votes has been blown way out a proportion. It may be a problem if we had 1000's of people (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I like the idea of 'centralized LDraw resources', a webpage where you can find a list of all software available and help organize discussions for standards and additions to the library (doing a great with the updates). Everything else will (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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I agree with Jennifer on this one. It is out of the question as a validation mechanism for me. Kevin (...) am (...) needs (...) or (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) the fact the LDraw.org isn't a commercial entity is completely irrelavent in this case. (...) I would actually be worried about STORING that kind of information on the server. Even for the people who didn't care. Like someone else has posted (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) The idea of personally identifiable information is indeed a sensitive one, and I recognize that. In fact, I'm a privacy freak myself - when it comes to commercial entities. The reason I included it in the recap/call for more brainstorming is (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Quoting Larry Pieniazek <lpieniazek@mercator.com>: (...) I didn't speak up last time because 1) someone else already had and 2) I thought maybe it would die. This seemed like a recap of ideas more than a brainstorming to me, so since it wasn't off (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) OK, your feelings are noted, at least by me, but I do think we haven't gotten all the possibilities developed yet. I tend to personally favor not working TOO hard to antispoof, but I'll stand by what I said, you may be inadvertantly stifling (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Quoting Larry Pieniazek <lpieniazek@mercator.com>: (...) I wasn't brainstorming. I was expressing my opinion. I was expressing it as strongly as I thought was appropriate given how strongly I felt about it. I am not only concerned with myself about (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) This could be extremely difficult for the college and high school students who are involved with LDraw. High schoolers don't pay utility bills at all (and some don't have IDs until they're 18), and a large number of college students live in (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) In a scenario where multiple mechanisms are on offer, you yourself might not ever need to use it, as you'd have several other paths available. But more importantly, until we've a consensus on what level of validation is appropriate, I'd rather (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I'd lean towards is. I'm more inclined to trust people than not to trust people, then again, that might be my weakness. (...) Yeah, sorry. One person I know signed up twice cause he thought it had something to do with news posting. Not a (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Quoting Tim Courtney <tim@zacktron.com>: (...) This seems like it might be difficult. (...) This seems fair to me, but not seem that way to non-lugnet members. (...) I ABSOLUTELY OPPOSE this. I also oppose having to enter my credit card number in (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) this still allows stuffing by someone at level 1 - someone you met once, and therefor know exists. He can "know" many many people, and you have no way of verifying if they do exist. This might be an acceptable risk, I don't know. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Ok. (...) I can accept this. There are several possible verification systems. I think we should use several, to make it easy for as many people as possible. Ultimately though, the onus should be on the applicant to prove his/her identity, (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I think easily spoofed votes are unacceptable. Especially in the initial phase of the org, when we're electing the board. (...) I'd say first get the org running, and then worry about encouraging more participation. Dan (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) (URL) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) We've seen quite a few good (and some overboard) suggestions in this thread so far. Lar, you wrote in another message: (...) Yep. I think the right question to ask here is: Would you rather be absolutely sure everyone who votes is unique, (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) could you post the link to it? I think it'd be a good thing to allow people to read it. Dan (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) The parts tracker is still offline, as all the data before the crash hasn't been restore to it, and there are some more configuration changes to be made. We are working to get it back up. Dan (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Hi all, nice to see Ldraw online again. But I noticed that you need an account to use the tracker. This wouldn't be a problem if I could use my account. I tried to login with my username and password but nothing happens. I mailed Steve but getting (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Makes sense. > (putting my flame resistant suit on.) No need. Play well, Jacob (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Now Munin is finally back on-line (since Thursday) and with a correctly configured Apache (since this morning). Right now some people will end up at Peeron and some people on Munin, when they go to the web site <www.ldraw.org>. This will (...) (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Whoops, I mean "Computing." That's what I get for not double checking. -Tim XFUT -> cad.dev (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I've marked up all I can see that needs to be tweaked up to this point. If anyone wants to have a look at what I have, please email me or post here, and I'll mail it to you. I don't want to post yet another revision, just to revise it again, (...) (21 years ago, 27-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I want to preface my answer with a few thoughts. I've seen what amazing potential these tools have in all aspects of the LEGO hobby. People from all over the world have written me talking about how they have applied LDraw to what they do. Whether (...) (21 years ago, 26-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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No, I'm not getting married. ;-) All of this LDraw standards and organization talk has gotten me thinking...about LDraw.org and it's mission, if you will. So I'd like to throw out a question: What do you think LDraw.org's role is in the LDraw/LEGO (...) (21 years ago, 26-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Indeed. 50K a head may be a little much though. (putting my clowning around suit on) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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Maybe we want dues so we can have official LDraw.org server, that won't be down weeks at a time. (putting my flame resistant suit on.) Kevin (...) vote. (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Good point, Orion! Now we get to the meat. Sending in a paper ID photocopy and utility bill gives a high degree of certainty of a real person behind the ID but is pretty intrusive. (as well as labor intensive at the receiving end). Allowing (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Whoa boy, backup. We not voting in a world leader to determine the lives of millions, we're voting on LSC membership. Since most people balk at even giving out their real name and Email address, I think this is a little extreme. -Orion (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) That could be one (not the only) verification method. Another could be sending in a scan of a drivers' license/gov. ID card and utility bill, like PayPal does to confirm identities. -Tim (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) nod, good point. (...) well, while I do trust the Lugnet auth to insure that you can't post as me, I don't see how it verifies that I'm a real person, as opposed to a part of Jennifer's imagination... (...) I'm not as worried about people (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I agree. That's what I meant when I said the LSC is the first step twards an official LDraw.org body. The 4+1 are not really LDraw.org - they act in what they believe is it's best interest, but so do quite a few other people, who are just as (...) (21 years ago, 25-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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