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Re: LUGNET Posting Policy Update
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lugnet.admin.terms
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Wed, 29 Dec 2004 02:42:46 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.terms, Marc Nelson, Jr. wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.terms, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.admin.terms, Marc Nelson, Jr. wrote:
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For example, both your post and my reply are against the TOU:
8. (do not) Post non-plain-text content such as HTML, multi-part MIME
messages, or so-called “binaries” including but not limited to: images,
sounds, multimedia files, computer programs, and blocks of text created
using binary-to-text conversion utilities such as BinHex, uuencode, btoa,
and PGP message encryptions (short PGP signatures, however, are permitted
by the server).
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I scratched my head about this for a bit, as I wasn’t sure what you were
getting at. But then I thought, perhaps you’re referring to FTX coding? (as
an aside, it might be more helpful if you came right out and said what you
meant rather than not saying what you mean)
I would argue that you might technically be right, except that FTX is almost
plain-text, more so than HTML is. (and certainly way more so than all the
other examples cited).
Still, I’m willing to admit that the ToS could stand a minor clarification
to say that FTX, since it’s designed and developed to be used here, clearly
is not in scope of the prohibitions listed. A reasonable person would
probably know that already, I think.
Is the ToS intended to be something that’s interpreted or is it supposed to
be hard and fast, full of thou shalt nots and subject to a lot of rules
lawyering? I’m not actually sure I know the answer to that. Clarity is
usually good. Except when it’s not or when people use a “letter of the law”
mode to break the spirit.
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I was referring to the fact that FTX and images within posts are prohibited
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Possibly prohibited. I don’t see it that way, even without clarification
I saw the cite the last time, thanks. I do appreciate the re-citation just in
case I didn’t see it (although I responded directly to it), but I think the
quote of the specific paragraph like you did the first time is actually more
useful than just linking the entire thing.
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A reasonable person
who has been posting to LUGNET for years might know that the TOU is badly out
of date and no longer reflects reality. But what about a newbie? I don’t see
the benefits of an inaccurate or incomplete TOU.
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Nor do I. As I already said. I think the ToS ought to be updated. Was there a
further point you wanted to make? I’d rather hear about the larger philosophical
question I asked about broad guidelines versus detailed prohibitions instead of
debating the fine points of whether FTX is prohibited or not under the ToS as it
stands today.
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Which (if any) of your seven examples are prohibited by the new rules?
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The same ones as before. This is a new administrative process, not new rules. I
posted the examples in hopes that reasonable people would draw reasonable
conclusions, not to spark rules lawyering.
If you have a specific complaint, make it to a member of the Transition Team, by
email, and we’ll take under advisement and act accordingly.
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Message has 1 Reply:
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| (...) What part of the TOU is ambiguous? It says "It is a condition of your use of the discussion groups that you do not: (X)" - meaning that if you do X then you may not be allowed to use the discussion groups. Are there any other parts of the TOU (...) (20 years ago, 29-Dec-04, to lugnet.admin.terms, FTX)
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| | Re: LUGNET Posting Policy Update
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| (...) snip (...) I was referring to the fact that FTX and images within posts are prohibited by the (URL) TOU>. A reasonable person who has been posting to LUGNET for years might know that the TOU is badly out of date and no longer reflects reality. (...) (20 years ago, 29-Dec-04, to lugnet.admin.terms, FTX)
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