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(...) Hmm, this is a good question. Like the rest of the site, the .market.* hierarchy is for LEGO® brand toys. From (URL) ... lugnet.market.auction (group): Auction announcements, updates, listings, and analysis; NOTE: this group is the ONLY group (...) (26 years ago, 24-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Todd Lehman wrote in message ... (...) I think you're right in not wanting the clone-brands marketplace stuff in the regular groups. I don't see a problem with allowing marketplace activity in the single clone-brands group unless the volume gets (...) (26 years ago, 24-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Hmm.. This IS perplexing. (...) <charters snipped> That means that my post about the availability of tee shirts was OFF TOPIC there! Yikes. Is that what you intended? (26 years ago, 24-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I think Lego FAN items (web site announcements, tee shirt sales, events, alternative RCX software, etc) do belong in the normal groups. Non-Lego building systems belong in the clone-brands group. Modifications of Lego bricks and inclusion of (...) (26 years ago, 24-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I don't follow the philosophy behind excluding anything clone from the normal hierarchy of groups. It seems like everything would be easier if the charters were taken a little loosely and only when someone was being problematically off-topic (...) (26 years ago, 24-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) You are SO right on with that observation Christopher! But I think that *all* of us feel this way to some extent. Sure, we joke about it, but seriously: what is it about Lego that is _so_ completely different than any other toy, and I mean (...) (26 years ago, 24-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Hmm...sounds like a condition that aging, has-been rockers have....have you seen some of the VH1 "Where Are They Now?" episodes? (...) I've noticed this too. I like to think the aversion comes from legitimate concerns about quality - but (...) (26 years ago, 24-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Oh, btw, I was going to make a point in this debate :) but forgot - what happens if someone holds either a set or brick auction that includes clone brands? -- Thomas Main main@appstate.edu (...) (26 years ago, 24-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Hrmmm, I don't _have_ children, but I remember being one. I also remember times when rules seemed to be loosely (or not at all) applied at one time, then harshly applied at others. Didn't make sense to me then, don't think it would work now. I (...) (26 years ago, 24-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Lego::MegaBloks Filet Mignon::Steak-ums (26 years ago, 24-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) See my review of Mega Bloks in lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, they are definitely of lower quality than Lego. I came in somewhat skeptical off the aversion to MB. Now I'm almost a believer (in Lego purity). The Creature Seekers Naval Command (...) (26 years ago, 24-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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LOL I have had that *same* idea, although mine was much more limited to producing specialty pieces for trains, such as larger wheels, drivers, prototypical doors, windows, engine noses, etc. The secret IMO for these clone companies is to *not* try (...) (26 years ago, 25-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Macs::Windows? Oh no - let's not go there.... Actually the Lego/Apple comparison is not that far off. Both have intense user loyalty; both (well Apple until recently) have very screwed up marketing practices. It is sad to go into store after (...) (26 years ago, 25-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Hmm. In my mind, no, it definitely wasn't off-topic -- in the spirit of things, anyway. Your post was "reasonably related to LEGO® brand toys." --Todd (26 years ago, 25-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Ahh, excellent question. --Todd (26 years ago, 26-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I think this is a reasonable answer. Like you, I continue to be frustrated by incidents of differential discipline. However, as a manager of people, and a parent, it has proven - time and again - more reasonable to set up guidelines rather (...) (26 years ago, 26-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Todd, I have to say this is a very well worded description of your view of what Lugnet is. I'm going to toss in a few comments from someone who is becoming a Lego purist, but has purchased clone brand products... I am glad you created the (...) (26 years ago, 28-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Yes, I think everything -would- be easier if the charters were taken a little loosely. But -- I don't think that's necessarily practical (or safe) long-term -- even though it may make life easier. It's one thing if clones are talked about (...) (26 years ago, 28-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I thought Coca-Cola® was "the real thing" ? :) (26 years ago, 28-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Only LEGO® is LEGO. :) But seriously, I think it's a very difficult thing to put in logical terms. Being human, it's a lot of emotion for people. And brand loyalty and all that. Certainly, comparing LEGO with Lincoln Logs®, or LEGO with Tinker (...) (26 years ago, 28-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Sometimes patterns of posting emerge that weren't clear earlier, and sometimes things just reach some threshold. In the case of clones, for example, it was believed (by me, mostly) that people just wouldn't want to talk about clones at all -- (...) (26 years ago, 28-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) ^^^^ (...) ^^^...^^^ (...) Thanks; I hope it shed light on any missing things not previously covered. BTW, in a single concise sentence, LUGNET is: a communications tool with a distinct purpose: "To enrich the online experience for the LEGO (...) (26 years ago, 29-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Just putting my oar in here, and it's probably tangential.. but I don't see these brands as quite the same examples. While some could argue that Pepsi(r) is a knockoff, I don't think Pepsi historians would agree. And the other two pairings (...) (26 years ago, 29-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Sure, but that 'l' is there in .off-topic.x and .loc.x too. So this means that the rest of the newsfroup's name can override the 'l'. Why then, doesn't the 'build' in lugnet.build or the 'announce' in lugnet.announce also override the 'l'? (I (...) (26 years ago, 29-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I have seen several examples. One is there is a brand of camping accessories which has packaging looking awfully close to Coleman. I think the brand is something like Cochran. I think there are other examples in the toy industry. Of course (...) (26 years ago, 29-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) OK, you're right -- they're not great (maybe not even good) examples -- but I needed something to get the point across that I was trying to make. I'm sure Coke *wants* everyone to believe that Pepsi is a clone of it, whether or not it's true. (...) (26 years ago, 29-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I'd say look to the canonical trademark dilution examples. In each of the following, the first is the trademarked name brand, the others are imitators. And in each case, the trademark was either almost lost because people tried to use the (...) (26 years ago, 29-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I guess the off-topic.* hierarchy is a discrepancy -- or, more specifically, a special case/exception. (...) Sure, as long as the thread stayed within the spirit of building and building techniques. But if the thread wandered toward brand-x as (...) (26 years ago, 29-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Frank Filz wrote in message <36FFC8B2.6201@minds...ng.com>... (...) Actually, the brand is Coghlan's... I couldn't find a web page for them, but did find a web site which carries their equipment with pictures, compare: Coghlan's logo seen on the (...) (26 years ago, 30-Mar-99, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Richest person in the world? That girl who sang the line "I'd like to buy the world a Coke®, and keep it company" [1] [1] I assumed she wanted to buy *each* of us a Coke®, not that we'd all have to share one Coke®;-) -John (...) (26 years ago, 7-Apr-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I can see that scene from Top Gun, where the captain is chewing out his grunts: "You don't own that bottle of Coke®, the taxpayers do!" Cheers, - jsproat (26 years ago, 7-Apr-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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Speaking of Coke® [1] bottles and pilots, ya gotta mention the one from "The Gods Must Be Crazy"-- hilarous movie, although I don't remember the sequel being very good [2]. -John [1] God, I love typing the word "Coke®" using the "®" character!!! [3] (...) (26 years ago, 7-Apr-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) So, what is it? Jasper (26 years ago, 19-Apr-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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<meekly> That's it...Typing the word Coke® using the "®". Maybe I overestimated the degree to which simple things amuse you:-( [1] [1] My simple mind, however, finds the simple [2] things *greatly* amusing:-) [2] more fun for simple minds....say the (...) (26 years ago, 19-Apr-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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