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OK, so here's my whole spiel on themes... This is a medium-term planning thing (1-3 months) and a background task while other stuff goes on. I don't expect we'll have the new theme tree completely worked out before the end of January or Februrary. (...) (26 years ago, 7-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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Some initial thoughts in promotional sets in my lunchbreak... Categorising promotional sets will as you suggest be frought with difficulties. That's why I went for the 'keyword' method of categorising them in my database, which can be a type of set (...) (26 years ago, 7-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) :-) (...) I know you said you made this up for the sake of an example, but Nik and I got in a row about this last night so I thought I'd share. I have to credit him for making me scan all the sets and their figs. There don't actually seem to (...) (26 years ago, 7-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) But given that 2188 is available only on ferries, doesn't that count for something? Its not a ferry per se, but in some way it is related to 'ferry', taking 'ferry' to be a generic term for a group of co-promoting companies. (...) To my mind, (...) (26 years ago, 7-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) Right -- but fuzzy categories don't necessarily have to add up to 100%. Something like the 1548 Ferry would probably go in as 100% "Stena Line", 100% "ferry" (which could be a sub-category of something associating it with boats), and some (...) (26 years ago, 7-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) This is an attribute of availability, just as (US only), or (Shell Stations in Holland) or (Worldwide) are. It has nothing to do with the subject matter of the model. So I would not like to see the categorization muddied up with it. I suspect (...) (26 years ago, 7-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:25:30 GMT, Todd Lehman uttered the following profundities... (...) Adventurers being the main theme, Desert Adventures as the 1st, Jungle Adventures as the 2nd. (...) All of the pre-ninja castle sets are Euro-centric type (...) (26 years ago, 7-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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A lot of what you guys are talking about goes right over my head as I'm not as familiar with set numbers vs. content as you all seem to be, but I've got some input "from a lowly user": I am an avid boater and SCUBA diver, I also like LEGO and (...) (26 years ago, 7-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) This may seem an odd question, but is this topic meaning to discuss how the database will be organized at a data level, or at an interface level? If the former, this is probably irrelevant to the vast mojority here, so I'm assuming the later. (...) (26 years ago, 7-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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...<snip>... (...) I think another extremely diverse set is the famous Explorien/UFO Hovertron thingy. Besides being discussed if it is a UFO set or not, It has also three set numbers: 6800 (the one released in Turkey as one of the little boxed sets (...) (26 years ago, 7-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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I'm not with that. Why?...Read below, only one example. The sets that we know and "cotegorize" as technic sets, were not all "Technic" from the beginning. Although they were apperantly looking like the ones today, those boxes released before 1982 (...) (26 years ago, 7-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) For sure, yes! -- 2188 being available only on ferries certainly counts! :) But they're two different aspects of the word "ferry" -- one is a set which represents a model of a ferry, the other is a set which has nothing to do with ferries but (...) (26 years ago, 8-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) Wow! -- how many kids get to have that kind of a LEGO-geek discussion with their dad? :) Your categorizations above sound a lot better than colors! :) (...) I'm probably using the wrong terminology -- This whole OO-data-modeling thing is still (...) (26 years ago, 8-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) Other here includes historical time period (past, present, future) and/or maybe, a measure of probability/realism? What I am getting at is that Pirates is in the past, and fairly "real" (1). Some castle is in the past and "real", (Dark forest) (...) (26 years ago, 8-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) Let's take a 90-degree turn and explore that more... What are all the possible dimensional attributes of sets and/or themes? - subject matter . type of model (plane, train, automobile, etc.) . scale (minifig, maxifig, microfig, etc.) . (...) (26 years ago, 8-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) It all started harmlessly enough ;-) I said, "there are red ninjas and blue ninjas, the old ones are blue, the new ones are red..." and Nik said, "no there aren't Dad, there are no blue ninjas", and I said "what?" and he told me about the (...) (26 years ago, 8-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) That second Mtron is supposed to be UFO, sorry about that. (26 years ago, 8-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) This is great input, Mike! (...) Would you like it if there were alternative views such as this?-- : | \-- aquatic (33% sub-set of terra-world) | |-- under-water (100% sub-set of water) | | | |-- Aquazone (100% sub-set of under-water) | | | (...) (26 years ago, 8-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) It's a great question!! (...) Both -- mostly at a data level, with much of the implementation hidden at the interface level, but with the interface level giving a view at the data level if someone wants that fine of a view. (...) Yup, that's a (...) (26 years ago, 8-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) I think I understand the concepts a bit better from reading other posts on this thread but just to make things clear (in my head) you're looking for something that would use a relationship key (or set designation, or fuzzy catagory) as it's (...) (26 years ago, 8-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) I have a couple of thoughts on the time classification 1) apply a full range of tags - first appearance, last appearance (in a catalogue, end of promo, etc), last available (retail), last available (S@H), last seen (auction/sale). This I think (...) (26 years ago, 8-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) Yup -- pretty much like that, in terms of relevance matching and neighboring categories (up, down, sideways in the graph). (...) Do you have a wish-list in mind of all the possible things you'd love to see be configurable? (...) I guess that's (...) (26 years ago, 8-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) Here's another example of where purely word-based attributes can lead things astray -- I just noticed this: (URL) says that "egypt" contains "pyramid", which makes sense. OK so far. But -- if you click on "pyramid", (URL) comes up with this (...) (26 years ago, 8-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) Here's an example of what I mean by wanting things to "just work" -- and wanting the categories to be relatively transparent by default. If you type in "bike" into this element-search thingie, (URL) fails to find any pieces labeled as "bike." (...) (26 years ago, 8-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) Right. some dogs are female, and some aren't, but no dogs are women (and no women are dogs, either, right? :-) ) (26 years ago, 8-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) Actually, there are only three factions, according to TLG. They are the Blue Clan Samurai, the Red Robbers, and the Red Ninjas. The Blue Clan is teamed with the Dark Gray Ninjas, the Red Robbers are teamed with the Black Ninjas, and the Red (...) (26 years ago, 8-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) Yes! We have examples of sets with promotional numbers being sold in retail outlets and sets with non-promotional numbers being sold as promotional items. 2149 would have a 'promtionalhood' of 100%, as its only available from Color Line 2148 (...) (26 years ago, 8-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) Actually, it depends a great deal on what the engine is searching - I'll come up with a list when my brain is less broken. (: (...) competitive (...) Absolutely. (although, the niggling little voice in the back of my head says "why not get (...) (26 years ago, 8-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) You mean indexing on content like the set name, human-entered comments, and all that, yes? With the option to disable matches on certain fields? (...) Maybe two-tiered along with one-tiered on the same screen? The two-tiered stuff at the top, (...) (26 years ago, 9-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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Also sprach Todd Lehman: : There might be 4 or 5 (or more) sub-categories of classic Space -- for : example, a little specialized category for the 3 ships in the Galaxy : Explorer family, and categories for the whole original blue/yellow/gray : (...) (26 years ago, 9-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) I -almost- made sub-categories of the so-called "classic" Space in the Fibblesnork LEGO Guide but was talked out of it (I think by Steve Bliss) by being shown many examples of boundary-straddling sets. But the FLG has hard-line boundaries, so (...) (26 years ago, 9-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) says (...) down, (...) Something like that, yes. I seem to be attacking this from an interface point of view, so I'll keep with that, for now. Scroll down for an example of some of my thoughts (...) enter (...) Yes! I knew I'd seen something (...) (26 years ago, 10-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) I feel much better now... Lets see. I would say that ideally, each of the following criteria could be treated as part of an equation (<>= (value), !(value), etc) - in other words, have them treatable as logical expressions. Set number set name (...) (26 years ago, 10-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) Note: it probably wasn't me. I *think* FLG has been around longer than I have (my roll-call form says "late 1995"). Steve (26 years ago, 11-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) Well, I just remembered that you'd saved me from opening a huge can of worms. :) To be more accurate, I wanted to categorize the sets based on color scheme, and it probably wasn't super-clear that I was considering breaking up the "Classic (...) (26 years ago, 11-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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(...) Wow. I had totally forgotten about that thread. Those were the good old days. That one, and the thread about the 12H quarter domes. (Speaking of which, I'm currently updating my web pages about the spaceship BR.[1] I'm not any closer to (...) (26 years ago, 11-Jan-99, to lugnet.admin.database)
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