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Jake,
Congratulations on joining LEGO Direct! It's great to see somebody on
board who has had past interaction with the AFOL community!
> One thing I would like to offer a little more info on is the new Mosaic
> product. I have seen one of these first hand and it is awesome!! You get a
> large baseplate, and enough 2x4 45 degree slopes to create the frame. Then,
> based on your design, you will get enough 1x1 plates (that's plates, not
> tiles)to actually create the design. These come in black, white, and three
Hmm... I just called and asked a rep what the kit comprised, and she
said 1x1 bricks. I'm confused. I specified between bricks, tiles and
plates. Jake, can you clarify? I called at about 2:00 PM PST.
Matt
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Matt, I am not sure what happened, but the parts are for sure 1x1 plates. I
have actually gotten a few more details as to what the box contains:
- Building Plate: 48 x 48
- Building Instructions Sheet
- Bill of Materials
- Bag of edge pieces and a brick seperator
and then depending on the number of required pieces for the design:
- Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - White
- Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Black
- Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Grey
- Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Dark Grey
- Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Light Grey
I have seen this in person and I have to say, it is SUPER cool!!
Jake
In lugnet.lego.direct, Matt Brooks writes:
>
> Hmm... I just called and asked a rep what the kit comprised, and she
> said 1x1 bricks. I'm confused. I specified between bricks, tiles and
> plates. Jake, can you clarify? I called at about 2:00 PM PST.
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Jake McKee writes:
> Matt, I am not sure what happened, but the parts are for sure 1x1 plates. I
> have actually gotten a few more details as to what the box contains:
>
> - Building Plate: 48 x 48
> - Building Instructions Sheet
> - Bill of Materials
> - Bag of edge pieces and a brick seperator
Really! Cool. I was a bit worried about the pliers comment in the faq.
>
> and then depending on the number of required pieces for the design:
>
> - Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - White
> - Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Black
> - Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Grey
> - Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Dark Grey
> - Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Light Grey
Ho ho!!!
Clearly we need a design that uses 92 (or 182) of each thing so that they
have to supply 88 extra of each color but one. (91 wouldn't work, they
always give one extra.)
As to changing to tiles, let me order a few first, please, I need those 1x1
plates.
++Lar
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.lego.direct, Jake McKee writes:
> > and then depending on the number of required pieces for the design:
> >
> > - Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - White
> > - Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Black
> > - Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Grey
> > - Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Dark Grey
> > - Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Light Grey
I figured that this was the way it would be done (my guesses were 50 or 100
count bags).
> Clearly we need a design that uses 92 (or 182) of each thing so that they
> have to supply 88 extra of each color but one. (91 wouldn't work, they
> always give one extra.)
Actually, I bet the bags do have exactly 90 1x1 plates. I don't think I've ever
got extra 1x1 plates so I think they are heavy enough compared to the tolerance
of the scales to not need the extra to assure the proper actual count when
verified by weight. I will be curious as to how the system will handle the
extras.
> As to changing to tiles, let me order a few first, please, I need those 1x1
> plates.
I think in general, when we think about it, we'll find given a choice between
plates and tiles, we'd want plates. It's too bad the system doesn't make some
attempt to conserve by using larger plates though. I can't imagine ordering
more than one or two "balanced" pictures.
I hope the 3rd grey (whether it's the Scala grey or another) appears in other
parts. It will be of somewhat limited use if only available as 1x1 plates (and
6x6 tiles)...
Frank
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > - Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - White
> > - Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Black
> > - Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Grey
> > - Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Dark Grey
> > - Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Light Grey
>
> Ho ho!!!
>
> Clearly we need a design that uses 92 (or 182) of each thing so that they
> have to supply 88 extra of each color but one. (91 wouldn't work, they
> always give one extra.)
Hmm. I bet they're *really* 90-count bags and the extras are for if you go
over 88, not 90. That is, I'll speculate that if you need 87 or 88, you get
one bag. But if you need 89, 90, 91, 92, or any number up to 176, you get
two bags. (Just a guess.)
Anyway, ya, this is an interesting partitioning problem. The goal would be
to get as many "free" elements as possible. I wonder if a straightforward
greedy 1/5 partition is optimal for this?
Let's see...first, there are 44 x 44 = 1936 squares to cover. Note that 88
(which is 90 minus 2 -- a coincidence?) evenly divides 1936 (22 x 88 = 1936).
So it should be easy to "tip the scales" toward extra bags.
A first-order crude approximation on the theoretical upper bound of an optimal
solution is 1936 + 90 x 5, or 2386. Of course, it's likely that no solution
exists which yields this high quantity, but you can probably get pretty close
to it.
Well, here's one solution -- I haven't proven that it's optimal, but I
conjecture that it is optimal given certain assumptions. Assuming the
threshold for each bag is 88 and you get actual 90-ct bags, then
353 Black => 5 bags of 90 Black
353 DGray => 5 bags of 90 DGray
353 MGray => 5 bags of 90 MGray
353 LGray => 5 bags of 90 LGray
353 White => 5 bags of 90 White
would result in 2250 elements. (353 is 88 x 4 + 1.)
Now, since 353 x 5 = 1765 is much less than 1936, it makes sense, not knowing
the precise partitioning rules, to "pad" the required quantities. Thus
387 Black => 5 bags of 90 Black
387 DGray => 5 bags of 90 DGray
387 MGray => 5 bags of 90 MGray
387 LGray => 5 bags of 90 LGray
388 White => 5 bags of 90 White
adds up perfectly to requiring precisely 1936 elements, yet receiving 2250
elements.
But, if we assume that we know the precise partitioning rules, are there
better (less greedy) ways to "spend" the "padding"? Look how much is wasted:
(387 - 353) x 5 is 170 -- almost two whole bags!
353 Black => 5 bags of 90 Black
353 DGray => 5 bags of 90 DGray
353 MGray => 5 bags of 90 MGray
353 LGray => 5 bags of 90 LGray
524 White => 6 bags of 90 White
adds up to requiring 1936 elements, yet receiving now 2340 elements! But is
this the best we can do? No, we're still wasting padding here, because it
only takes 441 elements to result in 6 bags, not the full 524 we have left
over. Unfortunately, the excess 83 (524 - 441) isn't enough to push another
bag up to the next integral quantity.
Therefore, it makes more sense to distribute the 83 evenly across all colors
as follows:
369 Black => 5 bags of 90 Black
369 DGray => 5 bags of 90 DGray
369 MGray => 5 bags of 90 MGray
369 LGray => 5 bags of 90 LGray
460 White => 6 bags of 90 White
I believe this is an optimal solution (proof left as an exercise to the
reader) with sufficient padding to ensure a total of 26 bags of 90 elements,
for a total of 2340 elements, whether the threshold is 88->90 or 89->91 or
90->92. This gives approximately 10% padding on each color in the worst case
scenario of 90->92.
Now the question is, what would I do with several thousand 1x1 plates?! :-)
And if I subtract the cost of a 48x48 gray baseplate (normal US$10??) and
sloped bricks around the boder from the US$29.99 price of the mosaic, is it
worth $.007 (that's 0.7 cents) per 1x1 plate? Seems like an excellent deal
if I need 1x1 plates! :-s
--Todd
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Todd Lehman writes:
> 369 Black => 5 bags of 90 Black
> 369 DGray => 5 bags of 90 DGray
> 369 MGray => 5 bags of 90 MGray
> 369 LGray => 5 bags of 90 LGray
> 460 White => 6 bags of 90 White
>
> I believe this is an optimal solution (proof left as an exercise to the
> reader) with sufficient padding to ensure a total of 26 bags of 90 elements,
> for a total of 2340 elements, whether the threshold is 88->90 or 89->91 or
> 90->92. This gives approximately 10% padding on each color in the worst case
> scenario of 90->92.
Sounds like they've set themselves up to give a pretty good bargain since a
best case (for TLC) would be only 22 bags, so being able to get 26 bags is
getting an extra 18.2% (or a 15% discount). Of course they may budget the thing
for 25 bags (and may actually always give you at least 25 bags), in which case
we'll get an extra 4%.
Frank
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In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Frank Filz writes:
> In lugnet.lego.direct, Todd Lehman writes:
> > 369 Black => 5 bags of 90 Black
> > 369 DGray => 5 bags of 90 DGray
> > 369 MGray => 5 bags of 90 MGray
> > 369 LGray => 5 bags of 90 LGray
> > 460 White => 6 bags of 90 White
> >
> > I believe this is an optimal solution (proof left as an exercise to the
> > reader) with sufficient padding to ensure a total of 26 bags of 90 elements,
> > for a total of 2340 elements, whether the threshold is 88->90 or 89->91 or
> > 90->92. This gives approximately 10% padding on each color in the worst case
> > scenario of 90->92.
>
> Sounds like they've set themselves up to give a pretty good bargain since a
> best case (for TLC) would be only 22 bags, so being able to get 26 bags is
> getting an extra 18.2% (or a 15% discount). Of course they may budget the • thing
> for 25 bags (and may actually always give you at least 25 bags), in which case
> we'll get an extra 4%.
Of course a smart mosaic generator could pretty easily make sure you only ever
get 25 bags. In your "optimal" example, assuming that they do go for perfect
use of the 90 plates in a bag, the program only has to recolor 9 or 10 pixels
to drop you to 25 bags. At a threshold of 88 per bag, it only has to recolor 19
or 22 pixels.
Frank
>
> Frank
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In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Frank Filz writes:
> Of course a smart mosaic generator could pretty easily make sure you only
> ever get 25 bags. In your "optimal" example, assuming that they do go for
> perfect use of the 90 plates in a bag, the program only has to recolor 9
> or 10 pixels to drop you to 25 bags. At a threshold of 88 per bag, it only
> has to recolor 19 or 22 pixels.
But it can't recolor your pixels if you do high-contrast banding -- i.e., a
band of black, a band of medium gray, a band of white, a band of dark gray,
and finally a band of light gray. I think it can only (fairly) do color
substitutions when it's using a dither that hops between low-contrast color
states. But the LEGO Brick-o-Later lets you go in and specifically fine tune
the image anyway -- so you really get the final say no matter what it does.
(Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how it looked.)
--Todd
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In my playing with Brick-o-liser (which has been hampered by the fact that
it's very very slow.... even on a fast connection) the stock images are all
larger than the 44x44 plate area, requiring resizing.
Are people using actual 44x44 sized images in their playing? if not...
My thinking was that if one wasn't that rather than using "bands" one should
use "wedges" of color centered around the very center of the image. A quick
thought on that leads me to believe that the proportions remain the same or
almost so no matter how one resizes the image. Bands, when resized, can
shift off the edge of the plate-rendered image.
BTW I bet TLC is shaking their head at how we are trying to optimize it!
I can't see reselling any of these plates, or buying, either, it seems too
simple and low cost to get some in the first place.
I wish Eric H (well, whichever Eric he's claiming to be today) would pop in
and comment on how things work underneath. :-) (yes, hacking it is more fun)
++Lar
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In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Frank Filz writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Frank Filz writes:
> > In lugnet.lego.direct, Todd Lehman writes:
> > > 369 Black => 5 bags of 90 Black
> > > 369 DGray => 5 bags of 90 DGray
> > > 369 MGray => 5 bags of 90 MGray
> > > 369 LGray => 5 bags of 90 LGray
> > > 460 White => 6 bags of 90 White
> > >
> > > I believe this is an optimal solution (proof left as an exercise to the
> > > reader) with sufficient padding to ensure a total of 26 bags of 90 elements,
> > > for a total of 2340 elements, whether the threshold is 88->90 or 89->91 or
> > > 90->92. This gives approximately 10% padding on each color in the worst • case
> > > scenario of 90->92.
> >
> > Sounds like they've set themselves up to give a pretty good bargain since a
> > best case (for TLC) would be only 22 bags, so being able to get 26 bags is
> > getting an extra 18.2% (or a 15% discount). Of course they may budget the
> > thing for 25 bags (and may actually always give you at least 25 bags), in
> > which case we'll get an extra 4%.
>
> Of course a smart mosaic generator could pretty easily make sure you only ever
> get 25 bags. In your "optimal" example, assuming that they do go for perfect
> use of the 90 plates in a bag, the program only has to recolor 9 or 10 pixels
> to drop you to 25 bags. At a threshold of 88 per bag, it only has to recolor
> 19 or 22 pixels.
They especially can't recolor since they allow you to print out instructions
before you order.
How could they justify eliminating my 1 pixel of each of the regular colors
from my image? (not to say they can't do whatever they like)
-Jon
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Todd Lehman writes:
> In lugnet.lego.direct, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > - Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - White
> > > - Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Black
> > > - Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Grey
> > > - Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Dark Grey
> > > - Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Light Grey
> >
> > Ho ho!!!
> >
> > Clearly we need a design that uses 92 (or 182) of each thing so that they
> > have to supply 88 extra of each color but one. (91 wouldn't work, they
> > always give one extra.)
>
> Hmm. I bet they're *really* 90-count bags and the extras are for if you go
> over 88, not 90. That is, I'll speculate that if you need 87 or 88, you get
> one bag. But if you need 89, 90, 91, 92, or any number up to 176, you get
> two bags. (Just a guess.)
>
> Anyway, ya, this is an interesting partitioning problem. The goal would be
> to get as many "free" elements as possible. I wonder if a straightforward
> greedy 1/5 partition is optimal for this?
>
> Let's see...first, there are 44 x 44 = 1936 squares to cover. Note that 88
> (which is 90 minus 2 -- a coincidence?) evenly divides 1936 (22 x 88 = 1936).
> So it should be easy to "tip the scales" toward extra bags.
>
> A first-order crude approximation on the theoretical upper bound of an optimal
> solution is 1936 + 90 x 5, or 2386. Of course, it's likely that no solution
> exists which yields this high quantity, but you can probably get pretty close
> to it.
>
> Well, here's one solution -- I haven't proven that it's optimal, but I
> conjecture that it is optimal given certain assumptions. Assuming the
> threshold for each bag is 88 and you get actual 90-ct bags, then
>
> 353 Black => 5 bags of 90 Black
> 353 DGray => 5 bags of 90 DGray
> 353 MGray => 5 bags of 90 MGray
> 353 LGray => 5 bags of 90 LGray
> 353 White => 5 bags of 90 White
>
> would result in 2250 elements. (353 is 88 x 4 + 1.)
>
> Now, since 353 x 5 = 1765 is much less than 1936, it makes sense, not knowing
> the precise partitioning rules, to "pad" the required quantities. Thus
>
> 387 Black => 5 bags of 90 Black
> 387 DGray => 5 bags of 90 DGray
> 387 MGray => 5 bags of 90 MGray
> 387 LGray => 5 bags of 90 LGray
> 388 White => 5 bags of 90 White
>
> adds up perfectly to requiring precisely 1936 elements, yet receiving 2250
> elements.
>
> But, if we assume that we know the precise partitioning rules, are there
> better (less greedy) ways to "spend" the "padding"? Look how much is wasted:
> (387 - 353) x 5 is 170 -- almost two whole bags!
>
> 353 Black => 5 bags of 90 Black
> 353 DGray => 5 bags of 90 DGray
> 353 MGray => 5 bags of 90 MGray
> 353 LGray => 5 bags of 90 LGray
> 524 White => 6 bags of 90 White
>
> adds up to requiring 1936 elements, yet receiving now 2340 elements! But is
> this the best we can do? No, we're still wasting padding here, because it
> only takes 441 elements to result in 6 bags, not the full 524 we have left
> over. Unfortunately, the excess 83 (524 - 441) isn't enough to push another
> bag up to the next integral quantity.
>
> Therefore, it makes more sense to distribute the 83 evenly across all colors
> as follows:
>
> 369 Black => 5 bags of 90 Black
> 369 DGray => 5 bags of 90 DGray
> 369 MGray => 5 bags of 90 MGray
> 369 LGray => 5 bags of 90 LGray
> 460 White => 6 bags of 90 White
>
> I believe this is an optimal solution (proof left as an exercise to the
> reader) with sufficient padding to ensure a total of 26 bags of 90 elements,
> for a total of 2340 elements, whether the threshold is 88->90 or 89->91 or
> 90->92. This gives approximately 10% padding on each color in the worst case
> scenario of 90->92.
>
> Now the question is, what would I do with several thousand 1x1 plates?! :-)
>
> And if I subtract the cost of a 48x48 gray baseplate (normal US$10??) and
> sloped bricks around the boder from the US$29.99 price of the mosaic, is it
> worth $.007 (that's 0.7 cents) per 1x1 plate? Seems like an excellent deal
> if I need 1x1 plates! :-s
>
> --Todd
FWIW, my first order resulted in:
1 Black => 1 bag of 90 Black
1 DGray => 1 bag of 90 DGray
1 MGray => 1 bag of 90 MGray
1932 LGray => 22 bags of 90 LGray
1 White => 1 bag of 90 White
What did everyone else order?
-Jon
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In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Jon Kozan writes:
> FWIW, my first order resulted in:
> 1 Black => 1 bag of 90 Black
> 1 DGray => 1 bag of 90 DGray
> 1 MGray => 1 bag of 90 MGray
> 1932 LGray => 22 bags of 90 LGray
> 1 White => 1 bag of 90 White
LOL!!!!
Beauty! Will we be seeing these on BAYLIT anytime soon? I could use about
50 or 100 light gray 1x1 plates and would be happy to pay $.05 apiece for
them. But I don't need a whole 48x48 baseplate full of them.
--Todd
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In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Jon Kozan writes:
> In lugnet.lego.direct, Todd Lehman writes:
> > In lugnet.lego.direct, Larry Pieniazek writes: • <snip>
> > --Todd
>
> FWIW, my first order resulted in:
> 1 Black => 1 bag of 90 Black
> 1 DGray => 1 bag of 90 DGray
> 1 MGray => 1 bag of 90 MGray
> 1932 LGray => 22 bags of 90 LGray
> 1 White => 1 bag of 90 White
>
> What did everyone else order?
>
> -Jon
I want to order exactly what you ordered if it is indeed the *new* gray, and
they (TLC) don't tweek your image.
Rich
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In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Richard W. Schamus writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Jon Kozan writes:
> > In lugnet.lego.direct, Todd Lehman writes:
> > > In lugnet.lego.direct, Larry Pieniazek writes: • <snip>
> > > --Todd
> >
> > FWIW, my first order resulted in:
> > 1 Black => 1 bag of 90 Black
> > 1 DGray => 1 bag of 90 DGray
> > 1 MGray => 1 bag of 90 MGray
> > 1932 LGray => 22 bags of 90 LGray
> > 1 White => 1 bag of 90 White
> >
> > What did everyone else order?
> >
> > -Jon
>
> I want to order exactly what you ordered if it is indeed the *new* gray, and
> they (TLC) don't tweek your image.
Me too. Jon, would you be willing to share your image file with the lazy
once you know what it actually results in your getting?
++Lar
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In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Richard W. Schamus writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Jon Kozan writes:
> > > In lugnet.lego.direct, Todd Lehman writes:
> > > > In lugnet.lego.direct, Larry Pieniazek writes: • <snip>
> > > > --Todd
> > >
> > > FWIW, my first order resulted in:
> > > 1 Black => 1 bag of 90 Black
> > > 1 DGray => 1 bag of 90 DGray
> > > 1 MGray => 1 bag of 90 MGray
> > > 1932 LGray => 22 bags of 90 LGray
> > > 1 White => 1 bag of 90 White
> >
> > I want to order exactly what you ordered if it is indeed the *new* gray, and
> > they (TLC) don't tweek your image.
>
> Me too. Jon, would you be willing to share your image file with the lazy
> once you know what it actually results in your getting?
I'll certainly let everyone know what arrives.
And test the intent of the "agreement"
My "image file" was simply taking the LEGO 'brick' picture and using their
tools:
1) zooming into blow up a section that was entirely 1 color
2) adjusting contrast and gamma until it was entirely Light Gray
3) adding 4 new "pixels" with the painter, that were separated by 1 pixel
gaps, each being a different color.
I'm really wondering what their cycle time will be on this new product.
It's a customized product (slightly, but significantly non-standard).
How they can perform on this activity - order fulfillment etc. will be a BIG
indicator of how they might perform on customized orders in the future....
Also, this is their first product with a non-standard Bill-of Material.
I hate to think of the potential headaches that this is causing their MRP
system. They probably won't answer that though.
-Jon
The next step would be to shrink the customized lot size.
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In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Jon Kozan writes:
> I'm really wondering what their cycle time will be on this new product.
> It's a customized product (slightly, but significantly non-standard).
> How they can perform on this activity - order fulfillment etc. will be a BIG
> indicator of how they might perform on customized orders in the future....
>
> Also, this is their first product with a non-standard Bill-of Material.
> I hate to think of the potential headaches that this is causing their MRP
> system. They probably won't answer that though.
I don't think this will be any more difficult than any other S@H order with a
variety of items. My guess is that you'll find that each bag has a "set" number
on it, and you'll see those set numbers on your invoice. Then the only custom
thing is the instructions, but those just come out of the printer with the
invoice (may be the same printer, with two paper trays, one for the 1/2 sticker
- 1/2 plain paper invoice, and one for the plain paper for the instructions, or
two separate printers). Now I could be wrong, but that's sure how I'd do it.
The interesting part will be what will S@H do when you call up the next day and
order N copies of the "set" which is the bulk pack of 1x1 plates of the new
grey...
Frank
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Hey, everybody -
I ordered 3 mosaics today, and I just got a call from S@H customer service
checking to see if they were all real or if I had accidentally duplicated an
order.
My 3 mosaics are my sister, my brother, and Jeri Ryan (by accident) - I'll use
the last one for parts; the other 2 are gifts.
They will be calling all people who order more than 1 mosaic to verify that
they wanted more than one item.
The rep also mentioned that they were undergoing training this week and next on
the product, and she asks us to be patient with them (I assured her that we
would).
She had heard of AFOLs, and LUGNET, and Brad....
Respectfully submitted,
Paul Sinasohn
LUGNET #115
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The interesting thing is that I tried to order 2 on one order, and it wouldn't let
me.
Paul Sinasohn wrote:
> Hey, everybody -
>
> I ordered 3 mosaics today, and I just got a call from S@H customer service
> checking to see if they were all real or if I had accidentally duplicated an
> order.
>
> My 3 mosaics are my sister, my brother, and Jeri Ryan (by accident) - I'll use
> the last one for parts; the other 2 are gifts.
>
> They will be calling all people who order more than 1 mosaic to verify that
> they wanted more than one item.
>
> The rep also mentioned that they were undergoing training this week and next on
> the product, and she asks us to be patient with them (I assured her that we
> would).
>
> She had heard of AFOLs, and LUGNET, and Brad....
>
> Respectfully submitted,
>
> Paul Sinasohn
> LUGNET #115
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Just as a side note to this, the reason that they are calling to check
multiple orders is for verification/fraud protection purposes. They want to
verify that you really wanted that many before any charges are made, since
the system is new.
Jake
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Senior Producer - Lego Direct
In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Paul Sinasohn writes:
> Hey, everybody -
>
> I ordered 3 mosaics today, and I just got a call from S@H customer service
> checking to see if they were all real or if I had accidentally duplicated an
> order.
>
> My 3 mosaics are my sister, my brother, and Jeri Ryan (by accident) - I'll use
> the last one for parts; the other 2 are gifts.
>
> They will be calling all people who order more than 1 mosaic to verify that
> they wanted more than one item.
>
> The rep also mentioned that they were undergoing training this week and next on
> the product, and she asks us to be patient with them (I assured her that we
> would).
>
> She had heard of AFOLs, and LUGNET, and Brad....
>
> Respectfully submitted,
>
> Paul Sinasohn
> LUGNET #115
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Um, Jake....
The Nice Lady had also heard of you.
Paul Sinasohn
LUGNET #115
In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Jake McKee writes:
> Just as a side note to this, the reason that they are calling to check
> multiple orders is for verification/fraud protection purposes. They want to
> verify that you really wanted that many before any charges are made, since
> the system is new.
>
> Jake
>
>
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> Senior Producer - Lego Direct
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In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Todd Lehman writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Jon Kozan writes:
> > FWIW, my first order resulted in:
> > 1 Black => 1 bag of 90 Black
> > 1 DGray => 1 bag of 90 DGray
> > 1 MGray => 1 bag of 90 MGray
> > 1932 LGray => 22 bags of 90 LGray
> > 1 White => 1 bag of 90 White
>
> LOL!!!!
>
> Beauty! Will we be seeing these on BAYLIT anytime soon? I could use about
> 50 or 100 light gray 1x1 plates and would be happy to pay $.05 apiece for
> them. But I don't need a whole 48x48 baseplate full of them.
Naturally.
As soon as they arrive.
Pre-orders are accepted, but I can't guarantee that my order won't get
"re-colored"
We shall see...
-Jon :-)
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In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Jon Kozan writes:
> Naturally.
> As soon as they arrive.
> Pre-orders are accepted, but I can't guarantee that my order won't get
> "re-colored"
> We shall see...
Thanks for doing this (for assuming the full the risk of possibly breaching
the User Agreement and taking any heat from LEGO which might subsequently
ensue if they find out what you're doing). Please let us know as soon as
they've arrived when/where we can purchase these from you and for how much.
--Todd
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I also ordered a Mosaic with the below #s, we'll see what happens.
Jon Kozan wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Todd Lehman writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Jon Kozan writes:
> > > FWIW, my first order resulted in:
> > > 1 Black => 1 bag of 90 Black
> > > 1 DGray => 1 bag of 90 DGray
> > > 1 MGray => 1 bag of 90 MGray
> > > 1932 LGray => 22 bags of 90 LGray
> > > 1 White => 1 bag of 90 White
> >
> > LOL!!!!
> >
> > Beauty! Will we be seeing these on BAYLIT anytime soon? I could use about
> > 50 or 100 light gray 1x1 plates and would be happy to pay $.05 apiece for
> > them. But I don't need a whole 48x48 baseplate full of them.
>
> Naturally.
> As soon as they arrive.
> Pre-orders are accepted, but I can't guarantee that my order won't get
> "re-colored"
> We shall see...
> -Jon :-)
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In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Tom Stangl writes:
> I also ordered a Mosaic with the below #s, we'll see what happens.
> Jon Kozan wrote:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Todd Lehman writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Jon Kozan writes:
> > > > FWIW, my first order resulted in:
> > > > 1 Black => 1 bag of 90 Black
> > > > 1 DGray => 1 bag of 90 DGray
> > > > 1 MGray => 1 bag of 90 MGray
> > > > 1932 LGray => 22 bags of 90 LGray
> > > > 1 White => 1 bag of 90 White
There may be a problem here.
An earlier post referred to Light Gray as being the standard Gray, with the new
color being Medium Gray, not (scala) Light Gray.
Thus the Scala Gray may not be the new 'gray' used in the Mosaic...
(I'm confusing myself at this point.)
-Jon
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In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Jon Kozan writes:
> In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Tom Stangl writes:
> > I also ordered a Mosaic with the below #s, we'll see what happens.
> > Jon Kozan wrote:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Todd Lehman writes:
> > > > In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Jon Kozan writes:
> > > > > FWIW, my first order resulted in:
> > > > > 1 Black => 1 bag of 90 Black
> > > > > 1 DGray => 1 bag of 90 DGray
> > > > > 1 MGray => 1 bag of 90 MGray
> > > > > 1932 LGray => 22 bags of 90 LGray
> > > > > 1 White => 1 bag of 90 White
>
> There may be a problem here.
> An earlier post referred to Light Gray as being the standard Gray, with the new
> color being Medium Gray, not (scala) Light Gray.
> Thus the Scala Gray may not be the new 'gray' used in the Mosaic...
>
> (I'm confusing myself at this point.)
> -Jon
Yes, I thought the same thing, but enough of us have already put in orders,
though mine was more even in the distribution of colors, that I guess we
will have to see when they arrive. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Scala
light gray. Obviously someone will have to post details once the bags are
in hand.
BEN GATRELLE
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If this helps any-- the new color is a shade *between* the current gray and the
current dark gray. It isn't Scala lite gray. (That's the way it was on the
example mosaic at the Kidvention)
-John
Ben Gatrelle wrote:
> In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Jon Kozan writes:
> > In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Tom Stangl writes:
> > > I also ordered a Mosaic with the below #s, we'll see what happens.
> > > Jon Kozan wrote:
> > > > In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Todd Lehman writes:
> > > > > In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Jon Kozan writes:
> > > > > > FWIW, my first order resulted in:
> > > > > > 1 Black => 1 bag of 90 Black
> > > > > > 1 DGray => 1 bag of 90 DGray
> > > > > > 1 MGray => 1 bag of 90 MGray
> > > > > > 1932 LGray => 22 bags of 90 LGray
> > > > > > 1 White => 1 bag of 90 White
> >
> > There may be a problem here.
> > An earlier post referred to Light Gray as being the standard Gray, with the new
> > color being Medium Gray, not (scala) Light Gray.
> > Thus the Scala Gray may not be the new 'gray' used in the Mosaic...
> >
> > (I'm confusing myself at this point.)
> > -Jon
> Yes, I thought the same thing, but enough of us have already put in orders,
> though mine was more even in the distribution of colors, that I guess we
> will have to see when they arrive. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Scala
> light gray. Obviously someone will have to post details once the bags are
> in hand.
> BEN GATRELLE
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In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, John Neal writes:
> If this helps any-- the new color is a shade *between* the current gray and
> the current dark gray. It isn't Scala lite gray. (That's the way it was on
> the example mosaic at the Kidvention)
WOW!!!
So now there are 4 shades of LEGO gray (including the SCALA warm light gray)?
Zoinks!!
--Todd
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Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote:
> So now there are 4 shades of LEGO gray (including the SCALA warm light gray)?
Ahhh, just imagine if there were that many shades of every color....
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In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Matthew Miller writes:
> Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote:
> > So now there are 4 shades of LEGO gray (including the SCALA warm light gray)?
>
> Ahhh, just imagine if there were that many shades of every color....
Yea, like green...
BEN
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In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Ben Gatelle writes:
> In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Matthew Miller writes:
> > Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote:
> > > So now there are 4 shades of LEGO gray (including the SCALA warm light
> > > gray)?
> >
> > Ahhh, just imagine if there were that many shades of every color....
>
> Yea, like green...
> BEN
OK, well, there aren't really 4 shades of gray... at least not publically
available (not in Mosaic, at least)
But as for Green, there are...
1) Dk Green (aka, standard 'Green') (Bricks, and everything else)
2) Bright Green (used in Baseplates, and Plates)
3) Lime Green (Paradisa Plates, Baseplates, various Belville objects)
4) Really Dark Green (Belville BURPS)
See also: http://www.baseplate.com/colors/
4 Green shades sounds like more than Gray's 3 shades.
-Jon
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In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Jon Kozan writes:
> But as for Green, there are...
> 1) Dk Green (aka, standard 'Green') (Bricks, and everything else)
> 2) Bright Green (used in Baseplates, and Plates)
> 3) Lime Green (Paradisa Plates, Baseplates, various Belville objects)
> 4) Really Dark Green (Belville BURPS)
>
> See also: http://www.baseplate.com/colors/
>
> 4 Green shades sounds like more than Gray's 3 shades.
Don't forget
5) New antique green (from Statue of Lib and new 2001 sets)
I have a few of the lime green baseplates, though I always refer to this as
mint green. The really like to find bright green foliage pieces. I have
several of the large palm fronds as in <set:5845> and several of the three
leaf plant pieces. It looks good to mix these in with the standard green
foliage pieces. I don't have any of the green BURPs, but I thought they
were regular green colored.
BEN
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No, the green BURP (and the green ladder in 5855) is darker than standard
green.
That being said, if anyone wants to sell/trade the green ladders out of 5855,
I'm interested - I refuse to buy the whole set for just the ladders.
Ben Gatrelle wrote:
> In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Jon Kozan writes:
> > But as for Green, there are...
> > 1) Dk Green (aka, standard 'Green') (Bricks, and everything else)
> > 2) Bright Green (used in Baseplates, and Plates)
> > 3) Lime Green (Paradisa Plates, Baseplates, various Belville objects)
> > 4) Really Dark Green (Belville BURPS)
> >
> > See also: http://www.baseplate.com/colors/
> >
> > 4 Green shades sounds like more than Gray's 3 shades.
>
> Don't forget
> 5) New antique green (from Statue of Lib and new 2001 sets)
>
> I have a few of the lime green baseplates, though I always refer to this as
> mint green. The really like to find bright green foliage pieces. I have
> several of the large palm fronds as in <set:5845> and several of the three
> leaf plant pieces. It looks good to mix these in with the standard green
> foliage pieces. I don't have any of the green BURPs, but I thought they
> were regular green colored.
> BEN
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In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Tom Stangl writes:
> No, the green BURP (and the green ladder in 5855) is darker than standard
> green.
>
> That being said, if anyone wants to sell/trade the green ladders out of 5855,
> I'm interested - I refuse to buy the whole set for just the ladders.
The green ladders I got out of 5855 seem to be the regular green color (and
no, they aren't for sale/trade...)
Frank
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In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Frank Filz writes:
> In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Tom Stangl writes:
> > No, the green BURP (and the green ladder in 5855) is darker than standard
> > green.
> >
> > That being said, if anyone wants to sell/trade the green ladders out of 5855,
> > I'm interested - I refuse to buy the whole set for just the ladders.
>
> The green ladders I got out of 5855 seem to be the regular green color (and
> no, they aren't for sale/trade...)
>
> Frank
I agree. I was just looking at these this morning, and I see no difference
between the regular green bricks, the green BURP, and the green ladder
from 5855. Tom, do you really have a different shade of green for these?
/Eric McC/
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In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Jon Kozan writes:
> But as for Green, there are...
> 1) Dk Green (aka, standard 'Green') (Bricks, and everything else)
> 2) Bright Green (used in Baseplates, and Plates)
> 3) Lime Green (Paradisa Plates, Baseplates, various Belville objects)
> 4) Really Dark Green (Belville BURPS)
> -Jon
Green BURPS? In what set? I've looked the DB up and down for a Belville
set with geen BURPS and I can't find any in any, although I did come across
some yellow ones. We are talking about the Big Ugly Rock Piece right? Any
help would be appreciated.
~Nathan
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Nathan McDowell wrote:
>
> In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Jon Kozan writes:
> > But as for Green, there are...
> > 1) Dk Green (aka, standard 'Green') (Bricks, and everything else)
> > 2) Bright Green (used in Baseplates, and Plates)
> > 3) Lime Green (Paradisa Plates, Baseplates, various Belville objects)
> > 4) Really Dark Green (Belville BURPS)
> > -Jon
>
> Green BURPS? In what set? I've looked the DB up and down for a Belville
> set with geen BURPS and I can't find any in any, although I did come across
> some yellow ones. We are talking about the Big Ugly Rock Piece right? Any
> help would be appreciated.
>
> ~Nathan
In 5854 Pony Trekking.
Jon, do you really have some that are a different shade than the standard green?
/Eric McC/
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In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Charles Eric McCarthy writes:
> Nathan McDowell wrote:
> >
> > In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Jon Kozan writes:
> > > But as for Green, there are...
> > > 1) Dk Green (aka, standard 'Green') (Bricks, and everything else)
> > > 2) Bright Green (used in Baseplates, and Plates)
> > > 3) Lime Green (Paradisa Plates, Baseplates, various Belville objects)
> > > 4) Really Dark Green (Belville BURPS)
> > > -Jon
> >
> > Green BURPS? In what set? I've looked the DB up and down for a Belville
> > set with geen BURPS and I can't find any in any, although I did come across
> > some yellow ones. We are talking about the Big Ugly Rock Piece right? Any
> > help would be appreciated.
> >
> > ~Nathan
>
> In 5854 Pony Trekking.
>
> Jon, do you really have some that are a different shade than the standard green?
>
> /Eric McC/
Thanks! I looked right over it, couldn't see it behind the pony in the
small pic on the DB.
~Nathan
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In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Charles Eric McCarthy writes:
> Nathan McDowell wrote:
> >
> > In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Jon Kozan writes:
> > > But as for Green, there are...
> > > 1) Dk Green (aka, standard 'Green') (Bricks, and everything else)
> > > 2) Bright Green (used in Baseplates, and Plates)
> > > 3) Lime Green (Paradisa Plates, Baseplates, various Belville objects)
> > > 4) Really Dark Green (Belville BURPS)
> >
> > Green BURPS? In what set? I've looked the DB up and down for a Belville
> > set with geen BURPS and I can't find any in any, although I did come across
> > some yellow ones. We are talking about the Big Ugly Rock Piece right? Any
> > help would be appreciated.
>
>
> In 5854 Pony Trekking.
> Jon, do you really have some that are a different shade than the standard
green?
Wow, I had thought this thread was dead.
I've never picked up that set.
But I have it on good authority - Ebay auctions I've seen - that they are
indeed Dk Dk Green - Mike Walsh can probably confirm this as well.
-Jon
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"Jon Kozan" <jauction@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:G4wBwu.EsA@lugnet.com...
[ ... snipped ... ]
>
> Wow, I had thought this thread was dead.
> I've never picked up that set.
> But I have it on good authority - Ebay auctions I've seen - that they are
> indeed Dk Dk Green - Mike Walsh can probably confirm this as well.
> -Jon
Wish I could, I don't have any of them myself.
Mike - mike_walsh@mindspring.com
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Todd Lehman wrote:
> In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, John Neal writes:
> > If this helps any-- the new color is a shade *between* the current gray and
> > the current dark gray. It isn't Scala lite gray. (That's the way it was on
> > the example mosaic at the Kidvention)
>
> WOW!!!
>
> So now there are 4 shades of LEGO gray (including the SCALA warm light gray)?
Yup. In fact, if you just saw the new gray by itself, you could easily mistake
it for dark gray (I recall thinking)
-John
>
>
> Zoinks!!
>
> --Todd
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In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, John Neal writes:
> Todd Lehman wrote:
> > In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, John Neal writes:
> > > If this helps any-- the new color is a shade *between* the current gray
> > > and the current dark gray. It isn't Scala lite gray.
> > WOW!!!
> > So now there are 4 shades of LEGO gray (including the SCALA warm light
> > gray)?
>
> Yup. In fact, if you just saw the new gray by itself, you could easily
> > mistake it for dark gray (I recall thinking)
I guess it's a good thing that I can use lots of gray on my battleship.
Now I'm wondering what color the basleplate is.
(John - do you know?)
-Jon
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Jon Kozan wrote:
> In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, John Neal writes:
> > Todd Lehman wrote:
> > > In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, John Neal writes:
> > > > If this helps any-- the new color is a shade *between* the current gray
> > > > and the current dark gray. It isn't Scala lite gray.
> > > WOW!!!
> > > So now there are 4 shades of LEGO gray (including the SCALA warm light
> > > gray)?
> >
> > Yup. In fact, if you just saw the new gray by itself, you could easily
> > > mistake it for dark gray (I recall thinking)
>
> I guess it's a good thing that I can use lots of gray on my battleship.
>
> Now I'm wondering what color the basleplate is.
> (John - do you know?)
Don't remember it being anything special, so I'm thinking that it's just a
plain ol' large gray baseplate.
-John
>
>
> -Jon
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In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, John Neal writes:
> Yup. In fact, if you just saw the new gray by itself, you could easily • mistake
> it for dark gray (I recall thinking)
I'm very curious to see this new grey. I have a 1x1 plate w/side clip which is
a grey between the current light and dark (and which I did initially think was
dark grey until I matched it up with a real dark grey). I'm getting a funny
feeling that this isn't a new color. If the new grey does indeed match this 1x1
plate with clip, I'll be VERY curious as to where the 1x1 w/clip came from
originally (I got it in a copy of 6369 that I got from Tom Stangl, but I'd be
surprised if it came from the factory in that set).
Frank
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In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Ben Gatelle writes:
> > There may be a problem here.
> > An earlier post referred to Light Gray as being the standard Gray, with the >>new color being Medium Gray, not (scala) Light Gray.
> > Thus the Scala Gray may not be the new 'gray' used in the Mosaic...
> > -Jon
> Yes, I thought the same thing, but enough of us have already put in orders,
> though mine was more even in the distribution of colors, that I guess we
> will have to see when they arrive. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Scala
> light gray. Obviously someone will have to post details once the bags are
> in hand.
> BEN GATRELLE
Well my Mosaic Kit has arrived. I can confirm that the kit has three shades
of gray plates (which everyone already knew), a standard dark gray, a
standard gray (the same color as the baseplate), and a lighter gray between
the regular gray and white. I don't have the scala light gray, but it was
described as this color.
The medium gray is a standard gray however. There is not a new
between-dark-gray-and-regular-gray gray.
The baseplate is a regular large baseplate. The frame is made of black
regular slopes including SIX concave corners. One brick seperator and the
hanger consisting of two 2x2 plates and one <part:3176> Plate 3 x 2 with Hole
BEN GATRELLE
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That's OK - I plan on ordering 4 more Mosaics, switching the 1932 color, once I get
the first ;-)
Jon Kozan wrote:
> In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Tom Stangl writes:
> > I also ordered a Mosaic with the below #s, we'll see what happens.
> > Jon Kozan wrote:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Todd Lehman writes:
> > > > In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Jon Kozan writes:
> > > > > FWIW, my first order resulted in:
> > > > > 1 Black => 1 bag of 90 Black
> > > > > 1 DGray => 1 bag of 90 DGray
> > > > > 1 MGray => 1 bag of 90 MGray
> > > > > 1932 LGray => 22 bags of 90 LGray
> > > > > 1 White => 1 bag of 90 White
>
> There may be a problem here.
> An earlier post referred to Light Gray as being the standard Gray, with the new
> color being Medium Gray, not (scala) Light Gray.
> Thus the Scala Gray may not be the new 'gray' used in the Mosaic...
>
> (I'm confusing myself at this point.)
> -Jon
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CRAP!!!
They loaded my box wrong!
The instruction sheet for my mosaic clearly shows it is 99.9% #2 lt-lt-grey, yet I only
got 2 #2 bags, and 21 #3 bags.
<sigh> Time to call S@H on Monday and figure out what to do now.
Tom Stangl wrote:
> That's OK - I plan on ordering 4 more Mosaics, switching the 1932 color, once I get
> the first ;-)
>
> Jon Kozan wrote:
>
> > In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Tom Stangl writes:
> > > I also ordered a Mosaic with the below #s, we'll see what happens.
> > > Jon Kozan wrote:
> > > > In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Todd Lehman writes:
> > > > > In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Jon Kozan writes:
> > > > > > FWIW, my first order resulted in:
> > > > > > 1 Black => 1 bag of 90 Black
> > > > > > 1 DGray => 1 bag of 90 DGray
> > > > > > 1 MGray => 1 bag of 90 MGray
> > > > > > 1932 LGray => 22 bags of 90 LGray
> > > > > > 1 White => 1 bag of 90 White
> >
> > There may be a problem here.
> > An earlier post referred to Light Gray as being the standard Gray, with the new
> > color being Medium Gray, not (scala) Light Gray.
> > Thus the Scala Gray may not be the new 'gray' used in the Mosaic...
> >
> > (I'm confusing myself at this point.)
> > -Jon
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CRAP!!!
They loaded my box wrong!
The instruction sheet for my mosaic clearly shows it is 99.9% #2 lt-lt-grey, yet I only
got 2 #2 bags, and 21 #3 bags.
<sigh> Time to call S@H on Monday and figure out what to do now.
Tom Stangl wrote:
> That's OK - I plan on ordering 4 more Mosaics, switching the 1932 color, once I get
> the first ;-)
>
> Jon Kozan wrote:
>
> > In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Tom Stangl writes:
> > > I also ordered a Mosaic with the below #s, we'll see what happens.
> > > Jon Kozan wrote:
> > > > In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Todd Lehman writes:
> > > > > In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Jon Kozan writes:
> > > > > > FWIW, my first order resulted in:
> > > > > > 1 Black => 1 bag of 90 Black
> > > > > > 1 DGray => 1 bag of 90 DGray
> > > > > > 1 MGray => 1 bag of 90 MGray
> > > > > > 1932 LGray => 22 bags of 90 LGray
> > > > > > 1 White => 1 bag of 90 White
> >
> > There may be a problem here.
> > An earlier post referred to Light Gray as being the standard Gray, with the new
> > color being Medium Gray, not (scala) Light Gray.
> > Thus the Scala Gray may not be the new 'gray' used in the Mosaic...
> >
> > (I'm confusing myself at this point.)
> > -Jon
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S@H is straightening this out and getting me the #2 bags that should have been loaded in
the box.
S@H rocks!
"Tom Stangl, VFAQman" wrote:
> CRAP!!!
>
> They loaded my box wrong!
>
> The instruction sheet for my mosaic clearly shows it is 99.9% #2 lt-lt-grey, yet I only
> got 2 #2 bags, and 21 #3 bags.
>
> <sigh> Time to call S@H on Monday and figure out what to do now.
>
> Tom Stangl wrote:
>
> > That's OK - I plan on ordering 4 more Mosaics, switching the 1932 color, once I get
> > the first ;-)
> >
> > Jon Kozan wrote:
> >
> > > In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Tom Stangl writes:
> > > > I also ordered a Mosaic with the below #s, we'll see what happens.
> > > > Jon Kozan wrote:
> > > > > In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Todd Lehman writes:
> > > > > > In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Jon Kozan writes:
> > > > > > > FWIW, my first order resulted in:
> > > > > > > 1 Black => 1 bag of 90 Black
> > > > > > > 1 DGray => 1 bag of 90 DGray
> > > > > > > 1 MGray => 1 bag of 90 MGray
> > > > > > > 1932 LGray => 22 bags of 90 LGray
> > > > > > > 1 White => 1 bag of 90 White
> > >
> > > There may be a problem here.
> > > An earlier post referred to Light Gray as being the standard Gray, with the new
> > > color being Medium Gray, not (scala) Light Gray.
> > > Thus the Scala Gray may not be the new 'gray' used in the Mosaic...
> > >
> > > (I'm confusing myself at this point.)
> > > -Jon
>
> --
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Much as I was afraid of.
(Note, that I _still_ don't have mine yet...)
While I'm glad that they are easliy willing to correct their mistake....
S@H doesn't have the systems to handle customized ordering (bad MRP system).
And, they can't afford to let this continue much longer, they certainly can't
afford to re-order parts or ship out so many extra parts on one order.
Sooo, it will be interesting to see what happen next. :-)
Will they fix their MRP/BOM problems????
OR, will they stop shipping out these customized orders/sets....???
I believe it might easily be the latter.
Time to buy the Mosaic, before they stop selling them altogether.
(I wonder what they might fetch on ebay when they've become super-rare...)
-Jon
In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Tom Stangl writes:
> S@H is straightening this out and getting me the #2 bags that should have been
> loaded in the box.
>
> S@H rocks!
>
> "Tom Stangl, VFAQman" wrote:
> > They loaded my box wrong!
> > The instruction sheet for my mosaic clearly shows it is 99.9% #2 lt-lt-grey,
> > yet I only got 2 #2 bags, and 21 #3 bags.
> > > > In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Tom Stangl writes:
> > > > > I also ordered a Mosaic with the below #s, we'll see what happens.
> > > > > Jon Kozan wrote:
> > > > > > In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Todd Lehman writes:
> > > > > > > In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Jon Kozan writes:
> > > > > > > > FWIW, my first order resulted in:
> > > > > > > > 1 Black => 1 bag of 90 Black
> > > > > > > > 1 DGray => 1 bag of 90 DGray
> > > > > > > > 1 MGray => 1 bag of 90 MGray
> > > > > > > > 1932 LGray => 22 bags of 90 LGray
> > > > > > > > 1 White => 1 bag of 90 White
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Jon Kozan wrote:
>
> Much as I was afraid of.
> (Note, that I _still_ don't have mine yet...)
>
> While I'm glad that they are easliy willing to correct their mistake....
> S@H doesn't have the systems to handle customized ordering (bad MRP system).
> And, they can't afford to let this continue much longer, they certainly can't
> afford to re-order parts or ship out so many extra parts on one order.
>
> Sooo, it will be interesting to see what happen next. :-)
> Will they fix their MRP/BOM problems????
> OR, will they stop shipping out these customized orders/sets....???
>
> I believe it might easily be the latter.
> Time to buy the Mosaic, before they stop selling them altogether.
> (I wonder what they might fetch on ebay when they've become super-rare...)
I don't see why the mosaic should be hard for them to ship. Ultimately,
because of how it's packaged, its just a group of sets which are ordered
in a somewhat bizarre way. Ok, I guess they do package the thing into a
"set" box, and then into a shipping box, and not just throw a bunch of
sets into a shipping box, but really, how is this any different than
ordering any other collection of sets? They do a pretty good job of
packing those orders (I've never seen a mistake there).
Now I guess they fact that the bags for the mosaic aren't given set
numbers may cause problems. If I was setting up the system for the
mosaic, I would have given each bag a set number (including the "set"
box if you really feel it's necessary). Then the only difficult issue
would be the instructions. I'd even make it easy for folks who really
just want the 1x1 plates and don't really care about the mosaic by
making the individual bags available the same way the bulk packs are.
They clearly mostly implemented it the smart way. They aren't trying to
package 1323 white plates, 27 grey plates and 611 black plates or
whatever.
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In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Frank Filz writes:
> Jon Kozan wrote:
> >
> > Much as I was afraid of.
> > (Note, that I _still_ don't have mine yet...)
> >
> > While I'm glad that they are easliy willing to correct their mistake....
> > S@H doesn't have the systems to handle customized ordering (bad MRP system).
> > And, they can't afford to let this continue much longer, they certainly
> > can't afford to re-order parts or ship out so many extra parts on one order.
> >
> > Sooo, it will be interesting to see what happen next. :-)
> > Will they fix their MRP/BOM problems????
> > OR, will they stop shipping out these customized orders/sets....???
> >
> > I believe it might easily be the latter.
> > Time to buy the Mosaic, before they stop selling them altogether.
> > (I wonder what they might fetch on ebay when they've become super-rare...)
>
> I don't see why the mosaic should be hard for them to ship. Ultimately,
> because of how it's packaged, its just a group of sets which are ordered
> in a somewhat bizarre way. Ok, I guess they do package the thing into a
> "set" box, and then into a shipping box, and not just throw a bunch of
> sets into a shipping box, but really, how is this any different than
> ordering any other collection of sets? They do a pretty good job of
> packing those orders (I've never seen a mistake there).
>
> Now I guess they fact that the bags for the mosaic aren't given set
> numbers may cause problems. If I was setting up the system for the
> mosaic, I would have given each bag a set number (including the "set"
> box if you really feel it's necessary). Then the only difficult issue
> would be the instructions. I'd even make it easy for folks who really
> just want the 1x1 plates and don't really care about the mosaic by
> making the individual bags available the same way the bulk packs are.
>
> They clearly mostly implemented it the smart way. They aren't trying to
> package 1323 white plates, 27 grey plates and 611 black plates or
> whatever.
From an individual's perspective, this would certainly appear as simple as you
describe it. But, from an accounting system or MRP systems perspective, this is
a ROYAL NIGHTMARE.
Look at it this way.
(LEGO before Mosaic)
My computer system thinks that I get paid for every set that I sell.
If I sell 20 of set X, I get paid 20*X's price.
I know instantly what I've sold, and what to remove from inventory accounts.
Furthermore, life is predictable, I can forecast my demand at the set level and
capture the inventory useage and production requirements at that same level.
But wait.
(LEGO with MOSAIC)
I now don't know what I've sold when I sell something.
I may have sold 20 of this bag, and 3 of that...(23 bags)
Or maybe I've sold 26 bags.
Which is it?
What did that set cost me to make?
26 bags or 23?
What return do I expect to make on this thing?
Furthermore, How do I predict it?
I now have to forecast at one level, and model a forecast at another level, due
to another level of variation I've just introduced.
More issues arise with customized instructions.
Packaging?
Quality?
And a HUGE issue arises with pricing.
How do I price this thing? especially if I want to sell 90 piece bags at some
point.
(What's up with 90 anyway? We'll also have to make 100 piece bags, since
nothing else is 90ish)
With 26 bags potentially per set, plus border ($3.50), plus brick
remover($2.50), plus baseplate ($10), Plus box, and instructions...
That's about $0.50 per bag.
-Jon
THEN I JUST GOT THIS:
Dear LEGO® Shop at Home Customer,
Due to a technical problem, your LEGO Mosaic set was shipped with an
incomplete assortment of building elements. We have repaired this
problem and identified the bricks you are missing. These are now being
prepared for immediate shipment to you.
We appreciate your patience in this matter and apologize for any
inconvenience it may have caused. The elements you need to complete your
Mosaic should arrive shortly, and we hope you enjoy building and
displaying your LEGO Mosaic image!
Sincerely,
Sharon
LEGO Shop At Home Customer Service
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Jon Kozan wrote:
> From an individual's perspective, this would certainly appear as simple as you
> describe it. But, from an accounting system or MRP systems perspective, this is
> a ROYAL NIGHTMARE.
>
> Look at it this way.
> (LEGO before Mosaic)
> My computer system thinks that I get paid for every set that I sell.
> If I sell 20 of set X, I get paid 20*X's price.
> I know instantly what I've sold, and what to remove from inventory accounts.
> Furthermore, life is predictable, I can forecast my demand at the set level and
> capture the inventory useage and production requirements at that same level.
>
> But wait.
> (LEGO with MOSAIC)
> I now don't know what I've sold when I sell something.
> I may have sold 20 of this bag, and 3 of that...(23 bags)
> Or maybe I've sold 26 bags.
> Which is it?
> What did that set cost me to make?
> 26 bags or 23?
> What return do I expect to make on this thing?
> Furthermore, How do I predict it?
> I now have to forecast at one level, and model a forecast at another level, due
> to another level of variation I've just introduced.
I bet they've forecast based on 25 bags. True, many of us will optimize
our pictures to get 26 bags, but I bet even with that concerted effort,
the difference in margin will be minimal.
> More issues arise with customized instructions.
> Packaging?
I thought I saw a picture of what someone got, and that it was a "set"
box filled with the bags and the instructions. Doesn't sound overly
complex.
> Quality?
Quality of what? What I care about is the quality of the components, why
should they be any different quality than the bricks in any other set.
> And a HUGE issue arises with pricing.
> How do I price this thing? especially if I want to sell 90 piece bags at some
> point.
> (What's up with 90 anyway? We'll also have to make 100 piece bags, since
> nothing else is 90ish)
>
> With 26 bags potentially per set, plus border ($3.50), plus brick
> remover($2.50), plus baseplate ($10), Plus box, and instructions...
> That's about $0.50 per bag.
So they're gving you a discount for buying a set. The brick remover for
$2.50 is ludicrous (except that what that price really mostly represents
is the cost to have such a thing orderable as potentially the only thing
someone orders). Why 90? Probably because that was an optimal number in
an analysis of pictures. 100 would probably give too much overage. If
they sell 1x1 plates as bulk packs, my guess is that you'll get 90
because there is no good reason to have a different number. Why pick
100? Because it's a convenient round number. If you have a good reason
to pick another number, why not.
> THEN I JUST GOT THIS:
> Dear LEGO® Shop at Home Customer,
> Due to a technical problem, your LEGO Mosaic set was shipped with an
> incomplete assortment of building elements. We have repaired this
> problem and identified the bricks you are missing. These are now being
> prepared for immediate shipment to you.
>
> We appreciate your patience in this matter and apologize for any
> inconvenience it may have caused. The elements you need to complete your
> Mosaic should arrive shortly, and we hope you enjoy building and
> displaying your LEGO Mosaic image!
>
> Sincerely,
> Sharon
> LEGO Shop At Home Customer Service
So they had some problems with the startup. What percentage of new
product roll outs go off without any glitches?
Frank
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Hello Mosaicers,
Jon Kozan wrote:
> Sooo, it will be interesting to see what happen next. :-)
> Will they fix their MRP/BOM problems????
> OR, will they stop shipping out these customized orders/sets....???
>
> I believe it might easily be the latter.
> Time to buy the Mosaic, before they stop selling them altogether.
> (I wonder what they might fetch on ebay when they've become super-rare...)
What happened is that the set is currently "not available" both in Germany
and the US. Let's hope that this is just a temporary shortage. I was just ready
to order one or two of them, after having read through the information in this
thread ...
Greetings
Horst
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Jon Kozan wrote:
> Much as I was afraid of.
It's a brand-new process for TLC, and they discovered a problem. That's
not a big surprise with something like this, for all the reasons you point
out.
I'm *encouraged* that they discovered the problem, and took proactive steps
to deal with it. And they didn't just mail out a letter with the
correction, they sent notices by email, which people are receiving *before*
they get their (incomplete) shipment.
Steve
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I got an email this morning from them warning me that one of my mosaics had
been packed wrong. Here's the text:
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Dear LEGO® Shop at Home Customer,
Due to a technical problem, your LEGO Mosaic set was shipped with an
incomplete assortment of building elements. We have repaired this
problem and identified the bricks you are missing. These are now being
prepared for immediate shipment to you.
We appreciate your patience in this matter and apologize for any
inconvenience it may have caused. The elements you need to complete your
Mosaic should arrive shortly, and we hope you enjoy building and
displaying your LEGO Mosaic image!
Sincerely,
Sharon
LEGO Shop At Home Customer Service
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I think Sharon was the person who called to confirm my order, and who knew that
Jake McKee existed....
Paul Sinasohn
LUGNET #115
In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Tom Stangl writes:
> S@H is straightening this out and getting me the #2 bags that should have been • loaded in
> the box.
>
> S@H rocks!
>
>
> "Tom Stangl, VFAQman" wrote:
>
> > CRAP!!!
> >
> > They loaded my box wrong!
> >
> > The instruction sheet for my mosaic clearly shows it is 99.9% #2 lt-lt-grey, • yet I only
> > got 2 #2 bags, and 21 #3 bags.
> >
> > <sigh> Time to call S@H on Monday and figure out what to do now.
> >
> > Tom Stangl wrote:
> >
> > > That's OK - I plan on ordering 4 more Mosaics, switching the 1932 color, • once I get
> > > the first ;-)
> > >
> > > Jon Kozan wrote:
> > >
> > > > In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Tom Stangl writes:
> > > > > I also ordered a Mosaic with the below #s, we'll see what happens.
> > > > > Jon Kozan wrote:
> > > > > > In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Todd Lehman writes:
> > > > > > > In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Jon Kozan writes:
> > > > > > > > FWIW, my first order resulted in:
> > > > > > > > 1 Black => 1 bag of 90 Black
> > > > > > > > 1 DGray => 1 bag of 90 DGray
> > > > > > > > 1 MGray => 1 bag of 90 MGray
> > > > > > > > 1932 LGray => 22 bags of 90 LGray
> > > > > > > > 1 White => 1 bag of 90 White
> > > >
> > > > There may be a problem here.
> > > > An earlier post referred to Light Gray as being the standard Gray, with • the new
> > > > color being Medium Gray, not (scala) Light Gray.
> > > > Thus the Scala Gray may not be the new 'gray' used in the Mosaic...
> > > >
> > > > (I'm confusing myself at this point.)
> > > > -Jon
> >
> > --
> > Tom Stangl
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I ordered my Mosaic from the Netherlands (shipped from Denmark) and even
before I received it, I got an email saying they made an error and will ship
the extra parts I will be needing.
Eric
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In lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, Eric Brok writes:
> I ordered my Mosaic from the Netherlands (shipped from Denmark) and even
> before I received it, I got an email saying they made an error and will ship
> the extra parts I will be needing.
>
> Eric
My extra parts arrived today, before the mosaics themselves arrived!
Paul Sinasohn
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Paul Sinasohn wrote:
>
> My extra parts arrived today, before the mosaics themselves arrived!
My extra parts arrived today, too. Unfortunately I am _still_ a bag of
#3 short. (It looks as though the software glitch shifting the picture
up
one line may have cost just enough #3 pixels from my carefully
constructed
picture to make the difference). I phoned up Shop-at-home 20 minutes ago
or so and they said they'd call me back. Watch this space...
Andrew
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I wrote:
>
> My extra parts arrived today, too. Unfortunately I am _still_ a bag of
> #3 short. (It looks as though the software glitch shifting the picture
> up
> one line may have cost just enough #3 pixels from my carefully
> constructed
> picture to make the difference). I phoned up Shop-at-home 20 minutes ago
> or so and they said they'd call me back. Watch this space...
They have now called me back and tell me that the extra parts will be
shipped tomorrow. It wasn't clear whether I will get the extra bag of
#3 that I had calculated my pixel counts for, or whether I will get just
enough 1x1 plates of #3 to make up the picture I specified.
Andrew
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> I wrote:
> >
> > My extra parts arrived today, too. Unfortunately I am _still_ a bag of
> > #3 short. (It looks as though the software glitch shifting the picture
> > up
> > one line may have cost just enough #3 pixels from my carefully
> > constructed
> > picture to make the difference). I phoned up Shop-at-home 20 minutes ago
> > or so and they said they'd call me back. Watch this space...
>
> They have now called me back and tell me that the extra parts will be
> shipped tomorrow. It wasn't clear whether I will get the extra bag of
> #3 that I had calculated my pixel counts for, or whether I will get just
> enough 1x1 plates of #3 to make up the picture I specified.
The extra parts arrived this morning - a full pack of #3. Kudos to Lego
for sorting this out quickly - both the correction packet and the
'correction-correction' packet were sent UPS next day air.
Andrew
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Todd Lehman writes:
> Therefore, it makes more sense to distribute the 83 evenly across all colors
> as follows:
>
> 369 Black => 5 bags of 90 Black
> 369 DGray => 5 bags of 90 DGray
> 369 MGray => 5 bags of 90 MGray
> 369 LGray => 5 bags of 90 LGray
> 460 White => 6 bags of 90 White
>
> I believe this is an optimal solution (proof left as an exercise to the
> reader) with sufficient padding to ensure a total of 26 bags of 90 elements,
> for a total of 2340 elements, whether the threshold is 88->90 or 89->91 or
> 90->92. This gives approximately 10% padding on each color in the worst case
> scenario of 90->92.
I have placed a 44x44 picture of myself in GIF format at
http://public.surfree.com/werdna/asl_mosaic.gif
By what I can only describe as a remarkable coincidence (:-)),
this self-portrait appears to use exactly 369 pixels each of
Black, DGray, LGray and White, and 460 pixels of MGray (I do
not guarantee this is correct - it's too close to my bedtime
for me to check it thoroughly by hand).
Andrew
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Jake,
I just wanted to take a moment to say two things to you:
1. Congratulations on your new position with Lego Direct. :-)
2. I hope that we continue to hear from you regarding our questions in such
a timely fashion. It is nice to be hearing things from a source inside Lego
that appears to have some answers, and understands our desire to get some
questions answered.
-Andy Lynch
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com>
> Just as a side note to this, the reason that they are calling to check
> multiple orders is for verification/fraud protection purposes. They want • to
> verify that you really wanted that many before any charges are made, since
> the system is new.
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Todd Lehman writes:
>
> And if I subtract the cost of a 48x48 gray baseplate (normal US$10??) and
> sloped bricks around the boder from the US$29.99 price of the mosaic, is it
> worth $.007 (that's 0.7 cents) per 1x1 plate? Seems like an excellent deal
> if I need 1x1 plates! :-s
>
> --Todd
>
> [xfut -> lugnet.off-topic.geek]
Actually, subtract ($9.99 + $2.95 shipping = $12.94) the X-large baseplate,
and (7.99 + $2.95 shipping = $10.94) the 100 pack of black slopes and a
($1.69 + $2.95 shipping) brick separator from the ($29.99 + $4.95 shipping =
$39.94) Mosaic kit...
you end up paying exactly $6.42 for the maximum of 2340 1x1 plates (I
believe that was recently proven?).
That is .002743589repeating cents -- or roughly .27 of a cent for each
piece. -Not Bad- if you need a lot of 1x1's new from Lego!
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In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Jake Rentar writes:
> In lugnet.lego.direct, Todd Lehman writes:
> >
> > And if I subtract the cost of a 48x48 gray baseplate (normal US$10??) and
> > sloped bricks around the boder from the US$29.99 price of the mosaic, is it
> > worth $.007 (that's 0.7 cents) per 1x1 plate? Seems like an excellent deal
> > if I need 1x1 plates! :-s
> >
> > --Todd
> >
> > [xfut -> lugnet.off-topic.geek]
>
> Actually, subtract ($9.99 + $2.95 shipping = $12.94) the X-large baseplate,
> and (7.99 + $2.95 shipping = $10.94) the 100 pack of black slopes and a
> ($1.69 + $2.95 shipping) brick separator from the ($29.99 + $4.95 shipping =
> $39.94) Mosaic kit...
>
> you end up paying exactly $6.42 for the maximum of 2340 1x1 plates (I
> believe that was recently proven?).
>
> That is .002743589repeating cents -- or roughly .27 of a cent for each
> piece. -Not Bad- if you need a lot of 1x1's new from Lego!
Wow, I screwed up a little on typos. The Mosaic comes to 34.94, not 39.94.
Also, the brick separator is 4.64 total, I forgot to include that.
Amazingly, my math was still correct!
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Jake Rentar wrote:
>
> In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Jake Rentar writes:
> > In lugnet.lego.direct, Todd Lehman writes:
> > >
> > > And if I subtract the cost of a 48x48 gray baseplate (normal US$10??) and
> > > sloped bricks around the boder from the US$29.99 price of the mosaic, is it
> > > worth $.007 (that's 0.7 cents) per 1x1 plate? Seems like an excellent deal
> > > if I need 1x1 plates! :-s
> > >
> > > --Todd
> > >
> > > [xfut -> lugnet.off-topic.geek]
> >
> > Actually, subtract ($9.99 + $2.95 shipping = $12.94) the X-large baseplate,
> > and (7.99 + $2.95 shipping = $10.94) the 100 pack of black slopes and a
> > ($1.69 + $2.95 shipping) brick separator from the ($29.99 + $4.95 shipping =
> > $39.94) Mosaic kit...
> >
> > you end up paying exactly $6.42 for the maximum of 2340 1x1 plates (I
> > believe that was recently proven?).
> >
> > That is .002743589repeating cents -- or roughly .27 of a cent for each
> > piece. -Not Bad- if you need a lot of 1x1's new from Lego!
>
> Wow, I screwed up a little on typos. The Mosaic comes to 34.94, not 39.94.
> Also, the brick separator is 4.64 total, I forgot to include that.
> Amazingly, my math was still correct!
Some quibbles with your math:
- Your math assumes no shipping cost for the hypothetical 1x1 plate
packs
- If you factor shipping into the cost, you should assume all individual
items are purchased at once
- I wonder how many brick separators people ever buy? I've got way more
than I need.
I think Todd's calculation is much more fair, but no matter how you
slice or dice it, the mosaic is a very good deal and a great way to get
a large supply of 1x1 plates.
Frank
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In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Frank Filz writes:
> Some quibbles with your math:
>
> - Your math assumes no shipping cost for the hypothetical 1x1 plate
> packs
> - If you factor shipping into the cost, you should assume all individual
> items are purchased at once
> - I wonder how many brick separators people ever buy? I've got way more
> than I need.
>
> I think Todd's calculation is much more fair, but no matter how you
> slice or dice it, the mosaic is a very good deal and a great way to get
> a large supply of 1x1 plates.
>
> Frank
Ah, yes -- thank you very much Frank! So now...assuming all the
"accesories" besides the 1x1's are purchased together, and the hypothetical
1x1 plate pack is purchased with shipping costs, and there are no other
variables I left out, we should add..
$9.99 x-large baseplate
$7.99 100 black slope pack
$1.69 brick separator (yes, no one actually buys them from lego...I came
across 10 once in a single garage sale find!)
....which adds up to $19.67 . since this is still under $20, the *cheap*
$2.95 shipping will be thrown in as well!
This brings us to a total of (I hope is correct) $22.62 for the items that
are included in the Mosaic kits besides the 1x1 plates. If we subtract that
from the $34.94 (which includes 4.95 shipping) mosaic kit, we obtain...
$12.32 for the hypothetical "2340 (maximum) 1x1 plates pack". But this
would also include shipping, so hypothetically speaking with $2.95 shipping
it would be $15.27 total for the 1x1's.
This is approximately 2.37 times the $6.42 which I originally calculated,
bringing each 1x1 plate to an exact....
$0.0065256410repeating per piece. In lay man's terms, roughly **a little
more than half a cent per piece**
Now, unless I thoroughly messed up here, or just forgot another variable or
two (Thanks Frank!) the above statement should be true.
Correct me if I'm wrong, please ;)
Thanks!
Jake
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Matt, I am not sure what happened, but the parts are for sure 1x1 plates. I
have actually gotten a few more details as to what the box contains:
- Building Plate: 48 x 48
- Building Instructions Sheet
- Bill of Materials
- Bag of edge pieces and a brick seperator
and then depending on the number of required pieces for the design:
- Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - White
- Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Black
- Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Grey
- Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Dark Grey
- Some number of 90 count bag(s) of 1x1 Plates - Light Grey
I have seen this in person and I have to say, it is SUPER cool!!
Jake
In lugnet.lego.direct, Matt Brooks writes:
>
> Hmm... I just called and asked a rep what the kit comprised, and she
> said 1x1 bricks. I'm confused. I specified between bricks, tiles and
> plates. Jake, can you clarify? I called at about 2:00 PM PST.
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