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Re: Not at all a pact with the devil...
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Tue, 23 Jan 2001 03:28:01 GMT
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Larry Pieniazek <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message
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> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford writes:
> >
> > > Especially when it's posted in a non useful way, as I said.
> > > Todd does have a special responsibility to keep the line between
> > > his private persona and his public one distinct.
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> > I don't accept that at all. Anyone who wants to express their opinion in • a
> > public forum should be allowed to do so, whether they are involved in
> > running it or not. If someone else takes exception to that, that's fine, • but
> > I don't think in this situation you (or anyone) has the right to dictate
> > Todd's (or anyone's) "responsibility" (special or otherwise).
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> I'm not dictating. Not now, not ever.
Then perhaps you should have worded it "Todd should think about making the
line between ....". It just sounded to me like you were stating a fact, and
that was why I responded as I did.
> Note that I distinguish between things I have a right to do, and things • that
> are a good idea. No one should prevent me from folly if I insist, but
> friends offer advice against it.
I agree, and I'd advise Todd to make such points of view clearer, too,
however it's just advice.
> Do you dispute that Todd needs to be clear when he's being just one of us,
> and when he's speaking officially? Divorced of the anti-[anti-MS] • rhetoric,
> that's what I'm saying. And farther down in your post (which I snipped) • you
> agree, or seem to. Can you clarify?
Certainly. I definitely agree that many developers make incorrect
development decisions based on MS / non-MS bias, as well as many other
biases with little relevance to the job. This generally results in increased
development time (cost), or below-standard results, or both. This is *bad*.
I think the open-source platform is a good development platform, but there
are many others, including MS. You should use the right tool for the job.
In the case of LUGNet, because resources are probably a bit more limited
than most development projects, familiarity with the platform becomes a
factor. I don't know how familiar Todd is with MS web development, but if
he's more familiar with FreeBSD / Apache / whatever else he uses (what do
you use Todd?), then he probably can't afford the time involved researching
/ learning other tools.
> > Well, that's Todds call, but my view is that unless it shows up in the
> > official terms of use (or other LUGNet doco, it's not an official LUGNet
> > view.
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> I feel that is an incorrect view based on events here in the past. It's an
> official LUGNet view as soon as Todd says it is, whether he's crisp about
> signing his name with official flourishes or not, no matter how long (if
> ever) it takes to get into the ToS.... c.f. auction listings, which
> seemingly took forever to get clarified in the ToS. Unless of course it
> isn't, and the only way to tell *that* sometimes is to follow the thread • all
> the way to the bitter end, and ask repeatedly what was meant until clarity
> finally comes. (Sometimes to Todd's great annoyance, because he's way • ahead
> of us in thinking through the implications, but hasn't had time to explain
> so we ask what appear to him to be silly questions.)
>
> All I'm asking for is crispness... the same crispness that Todd asks of • TLC
> employees when posting here, for consistencies sake. And note that all I • do
> is ask.
I think we agree here 8?)
> But I'll go farther, and this is in the vein of take or leave it advice,
> possibly worth no more than what was spent to obtain it (nothin').
>
> LUGNet *does* have an anti-MS bias, and it goes farther than it should.
I haven't formed an opinion on that yet, however there does seem to be a
fair bit of evidence pointing in that direction 8?)
> It goes far enough to color important decisions here, technical decisions
> that may make this site harder to use for users, political decisions that
> may affect perceptions of the owners, and emotional decisions, too, a bit
> anyway... Todd's nickel, of course, to spend as he sees fit, but I think • it
> dilutes effectiveness just a bit.
However, I don't think removing the platform bias would remove all such
dilutions, and it may well introduce others...
> But then, that's the same argument I make against those that are out of
> touch with TLC economic reality as well. With about the same effectiveness
> (i.e. not much). In this case, though, I actually care, as I consider • myself
> a LUGNet fan and stakeholder. Contrast that with those who are out of • touch
> with reality... they will or won't fall victim to their folly soon enough • in
> any case so I don't really care.
If they don't fall victim to cancer, heart disease, traffic accident, or
other ailments first...
Regards,
ROSCO
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| (...) I can see how you might take it that way... but I do have a rather brash style, long term readers know when I'm being actually emphatic. :-) However communication wasn't did, and the fault lies not with the reader. (...) I don't think we're (...) (24 years ago, 23-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Not much, but I've read enough about ASP to determine that it doesn't suit my needs (didn't in 1997-98 and still doesn't now). Always curious, however, I'll still flip through books in the bookstore every few months -- things on CFML, ASP, (...) (24 years ago, 23-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I'm not dictating. Not now, not ever. That (not dictating) is a longstanding and consistent position I've held, you can check back as far as you like... back to the very start of LUGNet(tm), and farther. Note that I distinguish between things (...) (24 years ago, 23-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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