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| | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —John Neal
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| | | | | (...) Oops. My mistake:-) (...) It is amazing to me that the law means nothing to Democrats; they are so &*%$# arrogant that they think they can abide by the "intentions" of the law (which is however it favors their needs) instead. -John (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | (...) Unless I miss your intent, the word you're probably aiming for is redundancy. Unless I miss your intent, the word you're probably aiming for is redundancy. (...) Especially given Republicans' long-standing tradition of honesty, integrity, and (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —John Neal
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| | | | | | | (...) No, I think ox(y)moron is the precise word:-) (...) ooh, my facetious meter just went off-- anything you care to share, Dave!? -John (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) Nothing specific, though I'm sorry to hear GW wasn't able to pull off the execution hat-trick this week. Dave! (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | (...) <snigger> Yeah, right. Republicans....hones...integrity. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA! I think ANY politician won't fit will with those terms after any appreciable time in office. -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay Area DSMs (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) Disagree. "Power corrupts" as they say. So if you want less corruption, make sure your politicians have less power... That's one of the outcomes of Libertarianism, a government that does less, and hence, has less opportunities for graft and (...) (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I loved her in Desperado and Wild Wild West. 8^) (...) I'll see your Shakespeare and raise you a Voltaire: "To respect your enemies for their virtues, there is the greater miracle." That is, even if I (for one) disagree with (...) (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'm not sure politicians really do have power. Surly the power lies with the electorate? (...) The problem with your LP is that, those at the bottom of society would also have less “power”. (...) The others include increased social division. (...) (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Charmingly naiive, don't you think? Elections are held once in a while. Politicians exert power every day. They DERIVE their power from the consent of the governed but they exercise it, nonetheless. Elementary civics. (...) Feel free to (...) (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | "Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:G4JFsK.53n@lugnet.com... (...) the (...) consent (...) Well, here in the UK, I can go round and see my MP this weekend if I wish. I can tell her just what I think, and expect her to (...) (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Ya, and I can call my congressman or go to his office. I can even share my views, and the office often does give help to constitutents. But if you equate that with "you're in control", somehow, you're confused. Your elections are when? At (...) (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) This is common. Tough choices are made at the start of the life of a government, implementing then is often uncomfortable. By the time the election comes round, the “tough choice” will be producing results. (...) Not really. Thatcher started (...) (24 years ago, 26-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott and Larry write: (...) [snip] (...) This is great! "You say something and I'll pay attention and we'll talk about it." "No, you" "No, you" etc... The basic fact is that you're both right. Since I largely agree with (...) (24 years ago, 26-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | | | | | | I'm at the near point of avoiding this group altogether. I personally wish Scott and Larry would just killfile each other and be done with it. While I side mostly with Larry, the way this "discussion" is being handled is useless and pointless. Larry (...) (24 years ago, 26-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Arguments are never won here Tom, they just end. Often weight of numbers, produces and end. However, just because a debate ends it does not follow that is has been won/lost. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the US membership of LUGNET does (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I (mostly) disagree. Of course part of my agreement is that in a way you are right, very few arguments are ever "won". But this group can and has been the catalyst for changes in opinion. I have certainly changed my opinions (and you can go (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Not admitting defeat doesn't mean a debate hasn't been lost (or won). Sometimes the debate provokes further thought on the subject - and that's the place that people change their minds. Admit it, how many of you are second-guessing eating (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) LP is a vote of principle, and it largely benefits from disillusionment with the political process – a belief that a win for Gore/Bush will result in same outcome for the USA. I'm willing to bet that a good deal of LP voters would rather not (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Web interface doesn't support it so I have to manually ignore... :-) Dunno what Scott's reasoning is. (...) This is an excellent summation. He won't do research, I won't do it for him, he won't stop sniping, and I will not answer every snipe. (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes (...) Ah, Larry! Ever the gifted phrase-maker! 8^) Dave! (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | 1. 1st I had to state my arguments - you refused to answer them. 2. Then you asked me to raise one point at a time - you refused to answer it. 3. Now I have to raise a single point at a time, and start a new thread for each. You _really_ are (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I find it ridiculous that Larry asked me to raise specific question so he can clarify his thinking - but he then refuses to answer me. To a certain extent, cherry picking questions one wishes to answer is part of a debate. Refusing to answer (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) It way well be obvious to you. But many economists accept that there is no reason to think that the market will always work. From what I read of Larry's friend, Hayek, on Friday I know he was one of them. I understand Larry has an (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) According to my understanding of Catholic doctrine yes, or effectively yes. If a Catholic wishes to refute this, I'd welcome a response. My understanding of Catholicism includes the following points: 1. The pope is the leader of the Catholic (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) Every catholic - perhaps. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | (...) Just for my own edification, you're aware, I trust, that I was being facetious? Dave! (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | | | Quite aware, yes, thanks. I'm not THAT dense ;-) (...) -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay Area DSMs (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) That's what I thought, but you springboarded off my comment in a way that made me unsure! Dave! (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | (...) OK, so corruption accumulates over time. This leads to a question: is better to cycle through politicians frequently, and spread low levels of corruption amongst a large number of people, or have just a few long-term politicians, and (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) As a democrat, let me note that's mighty nice of you to say! ;-) I think Honest Texan-Politician would be a better example of an oxymoron (move over Landslide Lyndon, here come the Bush Brothers Tag Team). Bruce (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —James Simpson
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| | | | (...) Ok...Texas Republican into the fray...LBJ was a bad apple, but no need to insult the whole state. Anyway...doesn't matter. If Bush loses, we're gonna exercise our right to cede from the Union, and the first order of business will be to declare (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | (...) There's a difference? :-) Wait, what did Rhode Island do? Note that France seems to be rather disliked by a lot of countries, note the admonition in that UK Revokation that we were to nuke France at the slightest provocation... Why is that? (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —James Simpson
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| | | | | | | (...) We would never resort to nuclear weapons - The Republic of Texas is gonna give 'em a good ol' fashioned butt-whipping. Which reminds me of a funny Letterman Top-10 List that I recall from many years ago: The Number One Reason Why Las Vegas is (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) Just because that dirge was written in the UK, it does not follow that it is the UK view... and I assume you are not shallow enough to think otherwise. There is a recent history of England and France exhibiting a little friendly animosity. (...) (24 years ago, 19-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Agreed. There is no "monolithic" UK view, (just as there is no "US" view either). However there certainly is a bit of a running gag among many people I talked with about disliking the French and french ways. The UK and France are close allies (...) (24 years ago, 19-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) It is an English thing - not UK. You'll also find that a good deal of England still harks back to WW2, and loves reminding the Germans about who one. The feeling in Scotland is a little more mature. I'll quote one of you countrymen to sum up (...) (24 years ago, 19-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Selçuk Göre
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| | | | | | | (...) Sorry Scott but even I started to be interested in..:-) Really, what is your area of PhD?..:-) Selçuk (24 years ago, 20-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Well, I just ran a scan on all of Lugnet, using PhD as the search term, and there's no post from Scott saying what his doctorate is in. I also tried just searching debate and using Doctor, again, nothing relevant, then I tried Doctor and (...) (24 years ago, 20-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | (...) OK Larry, I shall give you a silver star for trying. The key word to search for, I suppose, is "doctorate". It would have revealed: (BTW - EPSRC funded my doctorate at a cost of, in today’s $, $200,000 over 3 years. This focused on defining (...) (24 years ago, 20-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Sheree Rosenkrantz
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Thanks for satisfying my curiosity too. It is so much more pleasant here when the titans *play nice*. Gold stars for all! sheree (24 years ago, 20-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) So what, exactly then, is your doctorate in? Undifferentiated Civil Engineering, or some subspecialty? In the US there often (but not always) is differentiation within the degree. For instance my BS is in Computer Science with a minor in (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) The way the UK system works means that a PhD means one researches a very narrow field - a doctorate in "Computer Science" just does not exist here. (...) The main difference between the UK and USA is that here we have no real taught component (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Selçuk Göre
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Started in chemical engineering, ended in computer Science? ..:-) Actually I always hated doing homeworks (and quizes, who cares a BA or AA where CB or BB, that you can get with only midterms and finals and projects, is more than enough..:-), (...) (24 years ago, 20-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) I forgot to reply to this bit. I assumed that, as you'd replied to the message I was referring to, you had read it. This seems like a fair assumption, but I'd be a liar if I said I'd never done the same. :) Scott A (24 years ago, 20-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | (...) Really? It's good of those Englishpeople to promote the US that way. Steve (24 years ago, 20-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) My school history teacher told me the allies "won" the war, these were made up of France, Great Britain, much of the now Commonwealth, the United States, the Soviet Union, and, to a lesser extent, China. Was he wrong? Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 21-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) The Empire of Nippon won the war. Isn't that obvious? (...) I guess that depends on the details. Did he indicate that "we" won the war only because the US fully engaged? Did he explain that we won in spite of Montgomery rather than because of (...) (24 years ago, 26-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) Oh? Why not? My mother-in-law is a Texan. The defense rests triumphantly! :-) I didn't insult the state, I just insulted the politicians. Feel free to substitute whatever state you like - the key word is "politician". There are four kind of (...) (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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