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| | | One thing to point out here is that these scholarships are ONLY going to be needed for the people that can't afford the 1-2K USD or so per child per year to pay tuition. I of course feel that will be a VERY small set. Way under 1% of the population. (...) (25 years ago, 8-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | (...) 1-2K can't buy an education. That's not enough for books, other educational tools, and rent/maintenance on the school building, let alone pay for teachers as well. Unless you're talking primary education. (...) Bass boats? (...) Oh yeah, that (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | (...) It's ok; some kindly corporation would doubtless taken them in. (Huh. There was a Simpsons episode recently on just how this might play out. The school had to close, and a corporation took over. Worked out well, if I remember right.) (25 years ago, 9-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | (...) Yah. Right. Did I mention I disapproved of slavery, even if it was freely entered into? (...) You base your worldview on the _Simpsons_? Ah, I guess that's not too bad, really. Hmmmm, donuts.. Jasper (25 years ago, 10-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | (...) Yes, me too. My hunch is we'll get into this in the property-rights discussion -- but not for a while yet. (...) (For the record, it actually turned out to be a terrible disaster.) (25 years ago, 10-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Richard Franks
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| | | | | (...) More questions I'm afraid :) Using this premise, does the child have a right to expect an education from their parents? And if the parents default on that duty - would the child suffer? (As I understand it, one of a Libertarian state's duties (...) (25 years ago, 9-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | (...) And if the parents decide not to send their child to school, what then? Do they spend time in jail? Who decides what constitutes "schooling", and what doesn't? Why do I get the feeling this inevitably leads to the government deciding whether (...) (25 years ago, 10-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Richard Franks
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| | | | | | (...) What happens when parents (inevitably) decide that they can provide a decent education at home, rather than spending all of that money? If the child has a right to a certain level of education, and the state has to uphold that right (or rather (...) (25 years ago, 10-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | (...) You mean just like they do now? (Home schooling was ruled constitutional, IIRC. At any rate, it took the courts.) (...) And who certifies the certfier? IOW, quis custodet custodies? I'd guess that would have to be either a fourth-party, (...) (25 years ago, 10-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | (...) This would also be a good solution if the parents are on crack (perfectly legal in the libertarian utopia) and not really into making sure their kid gets taken care of (let alone educated). (25 years ago, 10-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | (...) YM, throwing the parents into jail and throwing the kid out on the streets? I fail to see the overall improvement. Jasper (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Richard Franks
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| | | | | | | (...) Duh, then the house/hovel that they previously occupied can go to better, more worthy people - in Libertopia this seems to be equivalent with richer people. (1) Richard (1) And why not, as they supply the libraries, schools and workhouses ;) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | (...) It might not be an improvement, but it'll certainly be an issue. 'Cause without the government telling corporations they can't, a lot of food products could very easily have a new secret ingredient. Oh, sure, people might vote with their (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Richard Franks
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| | | | | | (...) And Coka Cola would finally win the tasteaddictionMORE challenge... Richard (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | | | (...) Didn't the original Coca-Cola have cocaine in it, for that extra midday boost (1), when it first came out? 1) Original advertisement, which I saw, many moons ago! Scott S. ___...___ Scott E. Sanburn-> ssanburn@cleanweb.net Systems (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Yes, that's true. Cocaine was originally not realized to be harmful and thought of as medicinal. When it became apparent that there might be some health concerns, Coca-Cola removed it from their product. But this isn't necessarily a promise (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Actually, they removed it from their product when there was a law passed against cocaine. Or so I'd heard. (...) Nor do they even seem willing to admit that nicotine is addictive. I mean, for crying out loud: "I, personally, do not believe (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | | (...) With none of those embarassing white powder marks around the nostrils. ;) (This is similar to the selling point of chewing tobacco, no smoke stains or smells.) (...) Where did you find one of *those*? I've never seen one, except as a plate in (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | | | | (...) I think it was in one of my classes, showing the history of drug laws. Sociology, perhaps? Scott S. ___...___ Scott E. Sanburn-> ssanburn@cleanweb.net Systems Administrator/CAD Operator-Affiliated Engineers -> (URL) Page -> (URL) Page -> (URL) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | (...) "Now back to the _old_ old formula!" Jasper (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —John DiRienzo
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| | | | Larry Pieniazek wrote in message <3877CEEA.506A25B3@v...er.net>... (...) Easily. Hard to believe, but true. A well run private school, whose soul purpose (i.e. one of today's public schools) is to keep kids from running the streets could cost this (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Matthew Miller
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| | | | John DiRienzo <ig88888888@stlnet.com> wrote: [snip] (...) Hey John -- I started to reply to this message, but then realized I can't really. I don't understand what you mean by "right", or by "free good". Could you repond to my questions in the (...) (25 years ago, 11-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —John DiRienzo
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| | | | Matthew Miller wrote in message ... (...) think (...) I (...) I looked at those eariler. Thought I should give it some thought before answering. One wrong word and there'd be hell to pay. :-) Its funny, though, that you don't know what a right is. (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | (...) Wow. I didn't realize what a jerk you were before. (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Richard Franks
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| | | | | | | We all have good and bad days I guess. Richard (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | I don't have time to participate as I'd like to, this week, and probably not next week either... so I'll be brief. This is not directed at anyone in particular, but let's try to calm down, shall we? There is no reason to be snotty to each other, (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Richard Franks
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I agree. IMO Johns attitude came out of no-where, totally out of order - I'm guessing he's having a bad night, and that's fair enough. I say this because I feel he should be aware of the consequences of his posting, and how people felt reading (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yes, you're right. John, I was out of line and I'm sorry I said that. (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —John DiRienzo
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| | | | | | Matthew Miller wrote in message ... (...) think (...) Thank you for noticing. And you probably didn't realize what a jerk you were, before, either. The reason I've been so impolite in these past few posts (moreso than is typical for my normally (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | (...) Yes, I posted some things in a sarcastic tone. That doesn't mean I wasn't serious. But the fact that you weren't amused underlines the point that we disagree at an extremely basic level. So discussing the question of rights makes a lot of (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —John DiRienzo
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| | | | | | Matthew Miller wrote in message ... (...) every (...) probably (...) a (...) Thanks, we will. Good night. -- Have fun! John The Legos you've been dreaming of... (URL) weird Lego site: (URL) (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —John DiRienzo
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| | | | | | Matthew, give me the link to the post you needed answered. It is long gone... Thanks -- Have fun! John The Legos you've been dreaming of... (URL) weird Lego site: (URL) DiRienzo wrote in message ... (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | (...) This is what I meant in specific: (URL) there's actually two true/false statements which go before that. Just give an agree/disagree (or a mostly agree/mostly disagree) (I mostly disagree with both, btw -- see my reply to the above post for (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Libertarian stuff (Was: Re: Art Debate Was: [Re: Swearing?]) —Matthew Miller
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| | | | In the hopes that this can actually still be productive: (...) I don't find it funny. A long string of important thinkers throughout the history of western civilization have spent a lot of time thinking about what a right is exactly. (I could give (...) (25 years ago, 12-Jan-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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