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Re: Finally--a use of public funding that I can really get behind!
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Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:21:52 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Carl Nelson wrote:
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“This intolerance of ambiguity can lead people to cling to the familiar, to
arrive at premature conclusions, and to impose simplistic cliches and
stereotypes,”
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Tolerance of ambiguity can also lead to wishiwashiness, indecisiveness, and
debating what the meaning of the word “is” is.
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For the last time, can we lay this red herring to rest? The issue is not “what
does ‘is’ mean in casual parlance?” but rather “what is the implication of ‘is’
according to the accepted and rigid strictures of legal discourse as established
in the relevant proceedings and in those preceedings from which precedent may be
drawn?” They are two very different issues, and not nearly as simplistic as
they are caricatured to be.
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It also sounds like claptrap, a specious attempt to equate Bush to one of the
most evil humans ever alive, which is the agenda of the “professors” making
the study.
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Demonstrate this, please! Instead of arguing your point, you are repeating it,
and you are thereby simply assuming your conclusion. Since the article did not
mention the researchers’ agenda, you are only able to infer it, based on your
interpretation of their listed conclusions. You are, in effect, forming your
hypothesis (ie, that the researchers have an anti-Bush bias) and bending your
data to fit that hypothesis (ie, you assume the existence of data that
demonstrates the researchers’ bias).
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Out of curiosity, how is Bush both a moron and capable of complex nefarious
plots to benefit Enron and undertake a massive campaign of deception to the
world community, Congress, and the American people? Make up your mind.
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False dilemma. In this example, Bush is considered a simpleton figurehead at
the crest of a coordinated and well-organized effort to achieve certain ends,
namely pro-oil, pro-industry, and pro-Right. It is entirely possible both that
Bush is a moron and that Bush’s administration is capable of complex, nefarious
plots. Further, I would submit that both have been ably demonstrated to date.
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That’s my biggest problem with liberalism, right there in a nutshell.
Liberals are so much smarter than the average person, they know what’s best.
Arrogance, arrogance, arrogance.
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Strawman, strawman, strawman.
Here’s a quote for you to consider, before you condemn liberals for their
education: “As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless
they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too
much of a good thing” Karl Rove, a senior advisor for George W. Bush, “The
Daily Texan”, March 19, 2001
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“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the
most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under
omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep,
his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our
own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of
their consciences.” -- C. S. Lewis
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That’s a fine summation of the Dubya administration in general and the
Ridge/Ashcroft machine in particular. What’s your point?
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No one expects to change the world by posting to lugnet.off-topic.debate.
But having Bush at the helm sure beats being in an office building when
homicidal maniacs fly airplanes into it, being a woman in Iraq who is raped
because one of Hussein’s evil brats think she’s pretty, or being a Kurd who
is gassed simply for existing.
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That is witnessing, not debate. If I strapped you to a box-spring and tortured
you to death over a period of 96 hours, I’d argue that it would likewise be
better than crashing a plane into an office building. Do you therefore advocate
the Schuler-96-hour Torture Alternative as a proper course of action? If not,
then please explain the relevance of your examples above.
Dave!
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