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Re: Finally--a use of public funding that I can really get behind!
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Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:49:21 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
   I think the belief in the ‘sacredness of human life’ applies to more than conservatives’ I’ve been told that I’m a Canadian Liberal, but I ‘believe’ in the sacredness of life. Whether the other points are ‘just conservative’, i.e. smaller gov’t and free markets, I’ll let others tackle that one. Though the last I checked, it was the Libertarians who believe in the truly ‘free market’--I dunno, I’ll leave it to ++Lar to expound on that particular point.

Never meant to imply that it excluded anyone else.

I tend to lean towards libertarianism, and there go I but for a couple of reservations. First, I can’t stomach the de-criminalize all drugs argument. Some drugs are too bad (harmful to health) to justify their free-and-open use. And I have a nagging suspicion that libertarianism relies on too high a sense of personal responsibility to function at the level of a country. However, smaller government and more individual freedom & responsibility (the two go hand in hand) usually puts me on the side of conservatives. That’s what the Democratic party should be ashamed of--they support “the people” but not a person.

   “This intolerance of ambiguity can lead people to cling to the familiar, to arrive at premature conclusions, and to impose simplistic cliches and stereotypes,”

Tolerance of ambiguity can also lead to wishiwashiness, indecisiveness, and debating what the meaning of the word “is” is.

   Sounds like Hitler--“The Jews are at fault!” It also sounds like Dubya the moron, “The Iraqis are at fault!”

It also sounds like claptrap, a specious attempt to equate Bush to one of the most evil humans ever alive, which is the agenda of the “professors” making the study.

Out of curiosity, how is Bush both a moron and capable of complex nefarious plots to benefit Enron and undertake a massive campaign of deception to the world community, Congress, and the American people? Make up your mind.

   All of them “preached a return to an idealised past and condoned inequality”.

Mussolini? Hitler? The dictators who ascended to power through a “progressive” agenda of socialism? (Nazi was short for National Socialist Worker’s Party.)

   Sounds familiar thru the ‘conservative’ past “Lets return to a ‘better time’ I’d throw in the quote from ‘The American President’ but I can’t remember it off the top of my head. Lets see if someone put it on IMDB.com...

Ah, cute movie, especially when he goes into the florist’s shop and the woman faints. Too bad Rob Reiner tried to push an extremist agenda of vehement environmentalism and “feel good, don’t work” gun control measures. (Example #1 of Hollywood leftist bias.)

   The people didn’t know the difference. It’s amazing when you ask the American people about 9/11 and over half say it was the Iraqis.

(Bad joke: Reporter asks Colin Powell if it’s true that only 10% of Americans can point out Baghdad on a map. Powell: True, but unfortunately for Hussein, those 10% are all Marines.)

Funny, I thought 9/11 was America’s comeuppance for a century of capitalistic arrogance. That’s what the wonderful educational system and world press taught me!

   They don’t know the difference.

...and liberals do know it, I guess.

That’s my biggest problem with liberalism, right there in a nutshell. Liberals are so much smarter than the average person, they know what’s best. People are too dumb to decide for themselves and need to be told. It’s all up to these benevolent elected officials and non-elected bureaucrats to tell them what to do. Arrogance, arrogance, arrogance.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences.” -- C. S. Lewis

   In the absense of genuine leadership, people whill follow whomever steps up to the plate, and right now you have Dubya the moron leading the way to hell and you’re all quite content to go along for the ride ‘cause, as the surveys show, you don’t know any better. Sure Hoppy gets on here, and Bruce and even Dave! They point out fallacies and problems and such-like, and we sit here and talk and debate and obfuscate and rattle on, but the motor home is still heading for the cliff.

No one expects to change the world by posting to lugnet.off-topic.debate. But having Bush at the helm sure beats being in an office building when homicidal maniacs fly airplanes into it, being a woman in Iraq who is raped because one of Hussein’s evil brats think she’s pretty, or being a Kurd who is gassed simply for existing.

   Happy trails people.

Thanks for hockey and Molson, BTW. I’ll enjoy that on my way over the cliff.

Best regards, Carl



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(...) For the last time, can we lay this red herring to rest? The issue is not "what does 'is' mean in casual parlance?" but rather "what is the implication of 'is' according to the accepted and rigid strictures of legal discourse as established in (...) (21 years ago, 19-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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(...) I think the belief in the 'sacredness of human life' applies to more than conservatives' I've been told that I'm a Canadian Liberal, but I 'believe' in the sacredness of life. Whether the other points are 'just conservative', i.e. smaller (...) (21 years ago, 19-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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