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Re: The meaning of Christmas (was Re: Christmas Train update
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Sat, 12 Dec 1998 22:19:40 GMT
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Steve Berry <steveb@codenet.net> wrote:
No offense, but could you be taking Larry's side on this because he comes
close to your own ideological stance on this issue? Or, is it because, as you
say, footnoting something divisive in a Trains newsgroup is o.k.?

I'm certainly not an atheist, but if I were to decide to choose
"sides" in this very small, very insignificant disagreement, I would
have to side with him.

Little footnotes at the end of a message just aren't that big a deal,
especially worded the way he words them.  It's not like he wrote:

(1) I'm building a Christmas train because Christmas is fun, but I
don't celebrate Christmas for the reasons Christians do.  In fact, I
hereby declare all Christians idiots and hypocrites - so there.

He said he did it because it was fun, not because of Christ.

A little off-color?  To some, maybe.  Mostly irrelevant?  To me,
certainly.  You people can worship cobblers or carpenters, shoes or
doorframes, for all I care.  And I mean ALL you people, not just
Christians.  I guess when I expire and head upstairs God might let me
know I should have been a little more concerned with making sure
people believe what I know in my heart is right, but I'm pretty sure
he'll forgive me that and all the other failings I have.

I'm not a big fan of the oft-used PC term "tolerance", but with
respect to the arguments outspoken athiests and outspoken Christians
usually get into, I'd say both groups need a lot more of it.

I'm rambling, though.  Gee, was it really *that* divisive?  Didn't
bother me any.  Nor would it bother me if I saw you post one that
said:

(1) Renounce the overly commercialized nonsense that our society has
attached to Christmas and celebrate it for the real reason - Christ's
birth and our salvation.

Hell, I could post that.  I've said that or something like it at least
2 or 3 times this past week.

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  Re: The meaning of Christmas (was Re: Christmas Train update
 
(...) Well I thought I was going to sit this one out - it hits a little too close to home being a PK (1) and all. But what Mike spelled out above seems to pretty well capture my thoughts. I'll add the following rambling... There is no escaping the (...) (26 years ago, 12-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: The meaning of Christmas (was Re: Christmas Train update
 
(...) even >though he doesn't believe in the Christ part? Sure, if that had been the topic (...) Matt, No offense, but could you be taking Larry's side on this because he comes close to your own ideological stance on this issue? Or, is it because, (...) (26 years ago, 12-Dec-98, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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