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Re: The Free Super Chiefs
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Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:36:52 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
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> > Beyond that, the idea that S@H sent an extra package does not constitute as
> > stealing,
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> As a hypothetical example, if you had ordered $1000 worth of LEGO and it
> was delivered to me in error, would you accuse me of stealing if I kept it
> and didn't pay for it? Or how about if I saw three Super Chiefs sitting on
> a delivery cart and I helped myself to them? How would that be tangibly
> different?
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> > For me, tho, I would have called S@H and mentioned that they sent me these 3
> > for free, and I would be willing to pay for them. Not only 'cause of my
> > Christian values (it wasn't stealing but I'd still feel guilty)
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> According to every formal discussion of Christian values I've ever heard
> regarding "thou shalt not steal," the situation described would certainly be
> stealing, as much as accepting too much change from a cashier or failing to
> report that your gas meter only records half your usage. If you got
> something to which you aren't entitled and/or for which you didn't (but
> should have) paid, you've stolen it.
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> Dave!
Now this is a discussion :)
'Tis true, if *I* have something that I did not pay for, which should have
been paid for, it is stealing. If I knowingly went to a store and stuck
something in my pocket and walked out, that is stealing. If the store
shipped something to my house, with a *blank* invoice, there's ambiguity.
Mistake? maybe. Maybe (shot in a million) the store *wanted* me to have it
for free. Sure it's splitting hairs, but for the *letter of the law*, blank
invoice shipped to my house from a store does *not* constitute as stealing,
could be a gift or something else.
Formal discussions follow the letter of the law. In my case, the Spirit of
the law is that if TLC shipped *me* something with a blank invoice and there
was any question in my mind, I find I come down on the side of reimbursing,
or even opening a dialogue with said company to figure out what happened,
just so I don't have any questions in my mind (and alleviating any sense of
guilt, whether justified or not)
That said, others may, in their minds, have a different openion as to the
Spirit of the law, and come down somewhere different. That's their
perrogative and who am I to judge?
Another situation in this particular case is as follows:
If I walked out of a store with something in my pocket and not paying for
it, it is shoplifting. If someone shouted "Stop! Thief!", that would be
accurate and I would deserve that.
If, however, when there's ambiguity, or mayhaps misunderstanding, as in this
particualr case, slapping someone down and saying "you're a thief and so is
your daddy!" really isn't helping clear up the situation or resolving it to
the satisfaction of all parties. It just puts people on the defensive and
causes a ruckus--no mutual ground can be found when there's ruckii.
Dave
-Cursed with seeing *most* sides of an issue, and loving conflict resolution.
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| Ok these are all good points, and I would like to apologize to Jeremy for my earlier "you're a thief and so is your daddy!" post. I agree that my tone was a bit harsh, now that it’s past lunch and I’m settled in for a calmer afternoon I will (...) (22 years ago, 21-Mar-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) As a hypothetical example, if you had ordered $1000 worth of LEGO and it was delivered to me in error, would you accuse me of stealing if I kept it and didn't pay for it? Or how about if I saw three Super Chiefs sitting on a delivery cart and (...) (22 years ago, 21-Mar-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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