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Larry, I'm not back-pedaling on any of my statements or trying to water them
down. The sanctions have a PROFOUND effect on Cuba's economy. By imposing
sanctions, America is not ALLOWING Communism to work in the country.
Example: Imagine if Hawaii tried Libertarianism and got smacked with an
embargo and potentially lost billions of dollars in trade and tourism
annually. How logical would it be to say "See, Libertarianism doesn't work"?
That's my point. Why are you being so bull-headed?
Dan
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| (...) I would revise that statement to say "The existence of US sanctions against Cuba prevents us from determining with certainty whether Cuban Communism would fail or succeed in the absence of those sanctions." Declaring that sanctions in (...) (23 years ago, 28-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I'm not being bullheaded, I'm just pointing out your inconsistency. If you then take refuge in calling me names, so be it. Square "I never said in a general way that it's America's fault." with "By imposing sanctions, America is not ALLOWING (...) (23 years ago, 28-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) If you can't define success, you can't define failure either. You asked me how I define failure, I answered. Remove "seems" if it bugs you that much and replace it with <null>. Doesn't change the definition at all. Communism has failed each (...) (23 years ago, 28-Aug-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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